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Just bought both last week and had delivered together.  I am not a big polymer guy, prefer more metal but wanted a smaller gun for wife and one for me as well for a "beater".  

Initial thoughts - Glock built tighter, less slop and more refined all the way around.  Smith "PC" very sloppy and gritty to be honest, was disappointed by the finish level.  

Range - Indoor range...first thing that stuck out to me was what I noticed before using.  Smith was terrible trying to operator it with one hand...magazine would not eject unless you pull it out, cant release slide with thumb without pulling back on other hand, wouldnt seat bullets all the way forward.  When I would load a magazine I would have to push the back of the slide forward after the trigger wouldnt set because it wasnt closed.  Also had 3 light primer strikes, one on cheap wolf ammo and the others on S&B brass.

Glock - no light strikes, one stuck wolf casing.  Can do everything with one hand without a problem.  

Accuracy - tried comparing both with short and long mags to see if a difference.  Not a huge difference with actual results between mags and guns.  Glock average a bit smaller but not by a lot.

I bought my first glock around christmas because i wanted a 10mm.  I liked it...bought a glock 19....liked it a lot and bought the 43 for my wife.  Thought the shield would work for me due to having a safety.  I personally would not carry the shield after today...I will probably sell it as soon as possible.

As a side note, I took my Tanfoglio Stock III in 38 super.  This felt like a million dollar handgun after the first two, and my first 10 rounds were one ragged vertical gash in the center.  Can not say enough good things about that Tanfoglio as well...smooth as butter.  Wish i could get that feel in a concealable package because it is nothing short of awesome.


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My experience with the S&W Shield is the exact opposite of yours. I am very pleased with mine. I would talk with S&W before you sell it.
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No shield experience.

As a life-long 1911 guy, I carry a glock most days now, they work well, are very reliable, and plenty accurate.  I still prefer 1911, but its hard to beat a glock for ease of carry.


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I am a Glock guy.  Not so much because there is anything magical about the Glock, but because it is realiable and I learned to shoot with it.

I am extremely happy with my Glock 43.  I got it fairly recently, so I have been shooting it a lot.  It hasn't malfunctioned on me yet despite some questionable ammo.  The only upgrade I have made is sight replacement.  I like Heinie sight picture, so I swapped the sights out.

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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

No shield experience.

As a life-long 1911 guy, I carry a glock now most days now, they work well, are very reliable, and plenty accurate.  I still prefer 1911, but its hard to beat a glock for ease of carry.

And...you don't cry when the Glock gets a nasty scratch on it, like a high $$$ 1911. 
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ILya, is that a Lone Wolf long slide conversion on the bottom?
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:


And...you don't cry when the Glock gets a nasty scratch on it, like a high $$$ 1911. 

That too!

I do still like a frame-mounted safety, especially if the weapon is at all visible while carried. And i shoot 1911s better than Glocks - and am more ingrained with weapon clearing - though Glocks fail exceedingly infrequently.
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Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

ILya, is that a Lone Wolf long slide conversion on the bottom?

Yep.  I have 10mm and 357 Sig barrels for it.

Since that picture was taken, I had a friend of mine modify the grip for me.  I need to make some new pictures.  He is bored, so he started modifying Glock grips since he has some background in polymers.  He is doing a really good job.  I am going to have him do the G17 frame (also in the picture).

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Thanks! I have been toying with doing a long slide conversion for my 20SF and my 31, but not sure if it is worth the expense. I may just go with a KKM 6.02 barrel for my 20SF and call it good. Or trade my 20 in for a 40MOS.
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Had the 40 MOS been available in California without jumping through a lot of hoops, I would have gone with that route.

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Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

Thanks! I have been toying with doing a long slide conversion for my 20SF and my 31, but not sure if it is worth the expense. I may just go with a KKM 6.02 barrel for my 20SF and call it good. Or trade my 20 in for a 40MOS.

Mark, I have that exact same Lone Wolf G20 long slide Koshkin shows in the bottom of his photo -- brand new, never used -- that I'd be willing to part with for $125 + the cost of shipping. That's $50 less than what you'd pay from Lone Wolf. I bought it for a project that never materialized, so it's brand new and unblemished. Send me a PM if you're interested.
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Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

My experience with the S&W Shield is the exact opposite of yours. I am very pleased with mine. I would talk with S&W before you sell it.

We have 2 S&W Shield in 40S&W, I have a Glock 33 in 357Sig and 40S&W.  Much prefer the Glock.  More accurate, more reliable.  The Shields have jammed a few times and recoil is sharp enough that my wife did not like it (and the most favorite handgun she has ever had is a S&W 629 8 3/8inch).  I got her a Glock 26 and she loves it.  
I also have a 17 that is as accurate as I could hope for in a handgun, never jams.

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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

My experience with the S&W Shield is the exact opposite of yours. I am very pleased with mine. I would talk with S&W before you sell it.

We have 2 S&W Shield in 40S&W, I have a Glock 33 in 357Sig and 40S&W.  Much prefer the Glock.  More accurate, more reliable.  The Shields have jammed a few times and recoil is sharp enough that my wife did not like it (and the most favorite handgun she has ever had is a S&W 629 8 3/8inch).  I got her a Glock 26 and she loves it.  
I also have a 17 that is as accurate as I could hope for in a handgun, never jams.

My Shield is in 9mm, is accurate, I have yet to have any malfunctions of any kind, and I have no issues in firing it one handed even with my weak hand. The Shield in 40S&W I hear is more of a hand full. I guess I must be lucky with mine.
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Kickboxes, how does the Glock 33 shoot?  I have a 19, 23, and 26 myself and love all three of them.  I was gifted a lot of .357 sig ammo and have yet to buy a gun to shoot it in.  Was looking at the Glock and Sigs.  Would like to hear your imput.  I hear the .357 sigs are hot out of the barrel with some muzzel jump more so that a .40 caliber? 
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Originally posted by bird_hunter66 bird_hunter66 wrote:

Kickboxes, how does the Glock 33 shoot?  I have a 19, 23, and 26 myself and love all three of them.  I was gifted a lot of .357 sig ammo and have yet to buy a gun to shoot it in.  Was looking at the Glock and Sigs.  Would like to hear your imput.  I hear the .357 sigs are hot out of the barrel with some muzzel jump more so that a .40 caliber? 

The 33 is an acceptably accurate handgun, competing well with bigger framed guns.  Fast and smooth, when I've been training a bit, I can hold 1.5" or under at 25 yards and well within "center mass" at 50.  I like the 357 Sig better than 40S&W.  I got the 40 S&W barrel because my wife got two .40cal Shields… thought it would be good having the same ammo.  Though still within the "kill zone", groups are larger with the .40cal.  I'm probably getting rid of the Shields since my wife is so enamored of the Glock 26.  Probably trade them in on a Glock.  

Shooting the 33 is loud… even .45 shooters say "what the heck is that you are shooting?"  I've been shooting Georgia Arms "canned heat" 125gr.  Good stuff, never had a jam, about 1300 fps.  In the .40cal, I've been using Winchester 180gr at about 940fps.  

Big fan of the Glock guns and I've owned at least one of almost every brand at one time or another.  To me, the 357 Sig is a superior round.  

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I found that with a short barreled gun, like the 33, my follow-up speed with 357Sig is slower than I like, so I switched my small guns to 9mm.

Then Glock 43 came out and the rest is, as they say, history.  I love this gun.  One nice thing with a 9mm is that I can shoot 147gr bullets at  subsonic speeds.  At indoor ranges they seem quite a bit less loud.

I learned to shoot with a Glock 31, so I have a lot of mileage with 357Sig, but it is much cheaper to plink with a 9mm.

Now, I bought a 6 " 357Sig barrel for my long slide glock and in that role I like this cartridge far more.  It is also seriously faster out of a 6" barrel so for longer range plinking it is an excellent choice.

I think the 357Sig is a superbly engineered cartridge and my next step is getting a PCC chambered for it.  However, in smaller handguns, I switched almost entirely to 9mm.

I still have my Glock 31 slide and barrel (second fromn the top in the picture above), but I think I will sell them and set up my extra Glock frame with the 22LR conversion kit I have for practice.

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Originally posted by bird_hunter66 bird_hunter66 wrote:

Kickboxes, how does the Glock 33 shoot?  I have a 19, 23, and 26 myself and love all three of them.  I was gifted a lot of .357 sig ammo and have yet to buy a gun to shoot it in.  Was looking at the Glock and Sigs.  Would like to hear your imput.  I hear the .357 sigs are hot out of the barrel with some muzzel jump more so that a .40 caliber? 

I find my Glock 31 much easier to shoot than the 22. For me it has much less muzzle jump. And yes they have more muzzle velocity than a 40, but it is a different type of recoil to me.

And as far as shooting a 357 Sig in a Glock or a Sig. I find the Sig 229 to be a little more controllable over my 31. But since you have a number of Glocks I would stay with the Glock. I how ever am a Sig lover and plan on getting a 357 Sig barrel for my 229. Also since you have a Glock 23 you could get a conversion barrel for it.
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:


Now, I bought a 6 " 357Sig barrel for my long slide glock and in that role I like this cartridge far more.  It is also seriously faster out of a 6" barrel so for longer range plinking it is an excellent choice.

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ILya, do you know the difference in velocities between the 31 and the long slide? And with what ammo?
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Koshkin (Ilya) mentioned Glock grip reductions.  The latest modification to my Glock 23 (Gen 3) is a grip reduction by Cylinder & Slide.
  
It was expensive, with the recommended full stippling and scalloped mag release, but it was worth it. They didn't just crush down the hump in the back...they reduced the entire grip, and did a wonderful job.  Before, the Glock just felt like a hunk of plastic and metal.  Now it fits my hand perfectly, much like a Colt Commander.

Glock pistols do need improvements, despite the "Glock perfection" claim:
 .  Any self defense pistol is better with night sights (or a laser, if you prefer).  I added TruGlo tritiums.  
. The Glock trigger can't compare to the trigger on a good Model 1911 or a S&W revolver.  I replaced mine with a Zev Tech trigger.
. The grips are awkward, at least in my medium-size hands.  (Finger grooves always seem designed for somebody else's hands.)  The grip reduction solved this problem.

Glocks have some shining virtues.  They are almost totally reliable with any ammunition (unless limp-wristed).  They are compact, light, and almost indestructible.  With the above modifications, the Model 23 is an almost  perfect self-defense gun.  I like it.  A lot!

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Originally posted by Longhunter Longhunter wrote:

Koshkin (Ilya) mentioned Glock grip reductions.  The latest modification to my Glock 23 (Gen 3) is a grip reduction by Cylinder & Slide.
  
It was expensive, with the recommended full stippling and scalloped mag release, but it was worth it. They didn't just crush down the hump in the back...they reduced the entire grip, and did a wonderful job.  Before, the Glock just felt like a hunk of plastic and metal.  Now it fits my hand perfectly, much like a Colt Commander.

Glock pistols do need improvements, despite the "Glock perfection" claim:
 .  Any self defense pistol is better with night sights (or a laser, if you prefer).  I added TruGlo tritiums.  
. The Glock trigger can't compare to the trigger on a good Model 1911 or a S&W revolver.  I replaced mine with a Zev Tech trigger.
. The grips are awkward, at least in my medium-size hands.  (Finger grooves always seem designed for somebody else's hands.)  The grip reduction solved this problem.

Glocks have some shining virtues.  They are almost totally reliable with any ammunition (unless limp-wristed).  They are compact, light, and almost indestructible.  With the above modifications, the Model 23 is an almost  perfect self-defense gun.  I like it.  A lot!


I like the Glock grips, don't need any modification for me.  I've done trigger work on all my Glocks except my wife's new 26… I'm forcing her to get used to it "as is" and then will lighten and smooth it up.  It shoots very well "stock".  Glocks are tough, and reliable.  Accurate enough, but accuracy can be improved.  
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Just throwing this out there...
A Glock with significantly improved grip ergos, significantly improved trigger, grip stippling, rounded grip...
= an out of the box Walther PPQ!

Yet the PPQ still retains all of the Glock's virtues -- reliability, mechanical and operational simplicity, trigger safety and striker safety, same takedown ease (actually slightly easier), same mag capacity, same polygonal rifling, same Tenifer slide finish, replaceable grip back straps(gen4 Glocks)...

And still improves on the "Glock perfection" by the addition of:
- shorter trigger reset
- micro adjustable rear sight that is still streamlined like a fixed sight
- much better slide to frame fit without the unsightly Glock gap and warped dust cover
- front and rear slide serrations
- tapered slide profile for less drag in and out of holster and less "blocky" look
- improved and ambidextrous slide release
- the easiest sight replacement of any other semiauto duty/self defense pistol ever

All for much less than you'd pay for a tricked out Glock with grip and trigger mods. Even after the trigger mods, the PPQ will still have a better trigger right out of the box. And, whether it's inherently more accurate or not, the average person will shoot tighter groups with the PPQ. The PPQ trigger is so good that I've heard complaints that it's too light for a CCW and has such a short reset that you sometimes get unintended double-taps. These are valid concerns, but ones that can be overcome with training.

The Glock still holds the advantages of greater selection of calibers and barrel length/size categories, much better aftermarket part availability, slightly lower bore axis, and better mfg support reputation. But, if you're looking for a full sized pistol in 9mm, .40, or .45, it's a Glock killer! I've never heard of anyone who has shot both and still preferred the Glock.

I know this is blasphemy to the Glock faithful, but I encourage doubters to go handle and shoot one and see for yourself.
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My PPQ 4" 9mm. I replaced the OEM polymer sights with Trijicon HDs.





Trijicon HD sights:



Recessed rear sight microadjustment:


I realize this topic started out with a comparison of subcompact pistols and the PPQ series isn't available in a subcompact version at present. However it morphed into full size pistols, where the PPQ should definitely be a consideration vs. Glock and the S&W M&P series.
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