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I've recently became interested in these type sights.  I want to try one on my big bore .357 air rifle for deer and predator hunting.  Shots are limited to 80 yds.,  recoil on these guns is like a .410 shotgun.   How well do they work in low light conditions? Can parallax be an issue on some of them? I'd like to have one with two dots since these guns have loopy trajectory. 
 
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Air guns have recoil different than firearms and it takes a tough scope to deal with that.
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Springer type airguns do have rough front and rear recoil.  Mine is a pcp with very little recoil.

Interested in suggestions but also pros and cons vs. standard scopes.
 
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Aimpoint scopes are the best of the red dot type.  You do not have to center the dot; you hit where you aim if the dot is on it that is where the bullet will hit so long as it is zeroed at that distance.  Some other red dots must be exactly in the middle to be on target.
The 6x42 Super Sniper is a Tactical scope which allows you to dial in correction to compensate for the trajectory of your bullet. You could work with this scope and make a list of how much to dial in for each known distance.  say  you Zero at 25 yds and need to dial in 8 clicks (2moa) to be on target at 50 yds and need to dial in 14 clicks (3.5moa) to be on target at 75 yds  etc. This is how people shoot targets at long distances.

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How good are the EOtech, Burris, Bushnell dot sights?
 
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I personally like the Aimpoints the best, but they aren't going to give you the drop dots you are talking about.  Eotechs are a good product and will give you that.  But I don't care for the crummy short battery life on them, or the pixelated reticle.  I can use them, but prefer my aimpoints.  

I have never used the burris or bushnell, so I can't comment on them.  
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I have experience with Aimpoint, and Ultradot sights in pistol and revolver applications.  Aimpoint makes a very solid sight.  They are larger and heavier than Ultradot.  Not much, but for a handgun a few ounces less or more can make a difference.  I still have an older one that lives on a shotgun.

Ultradot also makes a solid sight IMHO.  I have 3 of their 30mm sights and they have held up to a lot of abuse.  Two are on .44 mag revolvers and one is on a 454 Casull revolver.  They are rumored to have good warranty service, but I have no first hand knowledge of that up to this point. 

Keep in mind that none of these is going to work well in low light.  Their basic design limits the light transmission through them.  In order to project the dot, there is one lense that is slightly reflective and therefore light decreasing. 


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Aimpoint long battery life.  EOTech  short battery life wider field of view.  your choice.
Burris - lets leave it at I dont have good luck with their stuff.
Bushnell - Id rather have their traditional optics but their Trophy line 1-4 is available with an illuminated dot in the reticle and I have that and it works fine at a bargain price, still it is not the scope than an Aimpoint is and cheek weld and eye relief (3.5 in)  is important where it is not with an Aimpoint.
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So none of these dot type sights are good in low light like dusk time hunting? 
 
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The ones that are small and can be used with both eyes open are OK in low light.  Your brain will compensate for the sight picture.  

All of them are light transmission limiting by their design.  I use Ultradot 30mm sights on hunting handguns and they are limiting in the evening if you are trying to shoot back into the shadows.  

The problem is that there is one element in the scope that is partially mirrored.  The image of the red dot is projected onto this lens so that you can see the reflection of the dot.  Unfortunately, the light transmission through this lens is on the order of 80%.  

A low power scope will be a much better in low light every time.  A side by side comparison is is definitely needed before you buy.  Don't get me wrong, red dot sights have many advantages, but this is a drawback.
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