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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WJC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/20/2016 at 17:38

You seem to have the realities well in hand. And, yes, as more and more people share those realities on the Internet, more and more onlookers will will be apprised. But, it has been my experience that the vast majority of folks are unaware.

 

Finally, I see you are from Utah. My eldest son’s family lives in Draper; what area do you call home?

 

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I am 2 hours south of draper. In sevier county. Sister used to have a house in draper. Ofher sis lives in Lehi and wife is from riverton which borders draper.
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Sometimes, genealogy can be like fishing in a rock quarry. But, three years ago, while still living in western Washington, my wife stumbled onto a cousin. And, with a whole large nation to choose from, where did he live? Sandy, the next town over from Draper. So, on our next trip down, we arranged to meet him at the Sandy public library. It turned out that they were both teachers. Ah, the world is getting smaller … but certainly not cheaper.


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The Maven binoculars are made in Japan by Kamakura.  That is a company that Bill is well acquainted with and it seems he personally knows a couple of people with the last name of Kamakura.  So the inference that there is a Chinese link, while certainly true in many cases, does not apply to any of the Maven line of optics.  Well maybe as Kamakura likely, even certainly, has some Chinese facilities.  All of the major players have some Chinese link somewhere.  Germanic ones likely use that somewhat less.  But care to guess where the Zeiss Terra comes from?

Maven service work is done at Kamakura's Kama-tech facility in San Diego.

There are very few, if any "manufacturers" that do the whole binocular more or less in house.  Zeiss may be the only one as Schott Glass is an owned subsidiary of Zeiss.  So is a Swarovski binocular, which uses Schott glass really a Swarovski, or should Zeiss get the credit?  To the best of my knowledge most glass used in any binocular gets to the place where it underwent final assembly from somewhere else.  Schott has factories on all of the continents.  Even China (OK I know China is not a continent but Schott has a factory there anyway).

The only Maven clone that comes to mind for now is the Sig Sauer Zulu 9.  Looks like a Maven B2 with different armor.  My bet is that in spite of the bold marketing of Sig Sauer making that sound like the Zulu 9 is totally theirs, my bet it is a Kamakura binocular and Sig did just what Maven did.

Taking the clone concept a bit further, Kamakura functions as an OEM for lots of companies selling binoculars.  Since they make lots of binoculars for lots of companies, it is logical to assume that many will bear some superficial resemblance.  One will see very strong if not nearly identical exterior resemblance with the Maven B3, the Swarovski CL, the Nikon Monarch 7 8x30, the Kite Lynx, the Leupold Mojave 8x32, and the Zeiss Terra 8x32.  Kamakura likely makes more than one of the above, there are likely others I did not list.  maybe Kamakura sells the basic casing to who know who, so there are going to be some lookalikes.


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And, if YOU pay for the casting, and promise to buy so many a month, you can "own" the rights to the bino.

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Originally posted by WJC WJC wrote:

And, if YOU pay for the casting, and promise to buy so many a month, you can "own" the rights to the bino.

Bill


Which is very likely why so many binoculars have so many similarities.  I have been told by a couple of sources how much a new casting for a unique to the brand housing costs.  Don't think I'd like to pay for that.
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