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Hawke Frontier SF 4-16x42, Leupold VX-3 4.5-14x40

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Did you pull the specs from the makers' websites or independently verify  any?  Eye relief is frequently mis-represented (I have found, through experience.)

Did the stated eye relief seem "off" on any of the scopes tested?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote safariarms man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/02/2009 at 17:40
Excellent review.  However, as a scientist, we both know that unless you perform a double blinded study, then subjectivity is always going to be a strong consideration in a review of any product.  I know that it would be very hard to do that with rifle scopes, but it is still possible.  With your knowledge of optics and science, along with SWFA, I would really like to see a double blinded study, possibly beginning with a group of fixed power scopes to make it simple in the beginning.  Again, your review was thorough, engaging and quite good, but just some thoughts.

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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Did you pull the specs from the makers' websites or independently verify  any?  Eye relief is frequently mis-represented (I have found, through experience.)

Did the stated eye relief seem "off" on any of the scopes tested?

The specs in the table are from the websites.  However, nothing seemed particualrly off including eyerelief.  It appeared to be right around the advertised values.

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Nice comparison. Seems we consumers are the winners with this group of scopes. Had forgotten that I was a member here, so have only read this purchasing the the VX-3 2.5-8x36 on my Model 70 Classic in 30-06 hunting rifle and the VX-3 4.5-14x40 AO mounted on my 40-X rimfire silhouette rifle. Now, if I can find the correctly priced 36X with target dot for the BSA Martini MkII rimfire benchrest rifle I'll be good.
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Thank you, Mr. Koshkin. I'm new here and am caught up in the (for me) bewildering decision of Conquest vs. Swarovski vs. Kahles vs. Leupold for my first "nice" scope. At 50+ my eyesight is not as it was and I have a m70 Classic that can shoot much farther than I can see well. I had sadly decided against one of the new VX-3 scopes until I read your great review. Now I suppose it's back in the running. The only "decent" scope I've ever owned is an old surplus Hensoldt in a G3 claw mount. This looks to be a fine place to lurk and learn!
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Welcome to the OT 1927,plenty of great teachers on board,starting with Ilya.
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Originally posted by Rocky1927 Rocky1927 wrote:

Thank you, Mr. Koshkin. I'm new here and am caught up in the (for me) bewildering decision of Conquest vs. Swarovski vs. Kahles vs. Leupold for my first "nice" scope. At 50+ my eyesight is not as it was and I have a m70 Classic that can shoot much farther than I can see well. I had sadly decided against one of the new VX-3 scopes until I read your great review. Now I suppose it's back in the running. The only "decent" scope I've ever owned is an old surplus Hensoldt in a G3 claw mount. This looks to be a fine place to lurk and learn!

Welcome to the OT!

As far as your choice goes, you should post a question in the general forum.  Generally speaking, if you are looking at Swarovski and Kahles, than VX3 is really not in the same league.  It is a fine scope in its own right, but not in the Swaro/Kahles territory.

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Just one more comment... in the future, could you please strive to be a little more thorough in you evaluation?? 
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

ILy,
Just one more comment... in the future, could you please strive to be a little more thorough in you evaluation?? 

Of course, I'll start working on it the day you run out of trees in Alabama.

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Well crap.. I had this review bookmarked in hopes that the Hawke would be the next choice for my AR .223 .  Now the scope is no longer listed on SWFA.  Oh well, the review was just as good 2nd time around.
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Fantastic review Ilya. Excellent  

Having read very few reviews of optics before joining this site, I have to say I very much enjoy reading your reviews of optics.  I don't think you give a biased opinion on your reviews at all.  You state it just as it is and from what I have read, you recommend optics that you would spend your own money on.

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Not sure how i missed this when it went up, but fantastic read and review Ilya!
 
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