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Tip69
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Posted: March/13/2008 at 10:17 |
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I was at a Scheels yesterday and stumbled across a Rem. 700 CDL .270 in LEFT Hand! I don't know what made me do it, but I got out a dollar bill to check the barrel and stock, to make sure the barrel wasn't touching the stock anywhere. Much to my surprise, it wasn't free-floated! Now I have a BDL in .223 at home and I guess I never checked it before, but sure enough, it wasn't "f-f" either.
What's your take on that. I thought everyone was free-floating their barrels now.
BTW, they had 2 Sako 75 in .260 Rem! One was wood/blued for $989.99 and the other was a Greywolf I think.... grey laminate and was $1089.99
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take em!
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Big Squeeze
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Dale Clifford
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It depends on how much you love the stock (only get to do it once)--my scout FN stock is epoxied to the barrel --- alot of times this will improve accuracy, when strength is an over riding concern. As far as consistency even in a manufacturer, it probably has to do more if it is friday afternoon or not.
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Ed Connelly
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Fbuckshot
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I've got a Rem 270 BDL LH and the barrel is free floated except for a small area near the end of the stock under the sling stud. Where does wood meet barrel on yours? I've seen some target stocks with an adjustable stud in about the same locations. The theory being that you can adjust pressure on the barrel and affect harmonics. With my sample of one, can't determine if this was done intentionally by Rem or not. However, the gun shoots MOA.
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helo18
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I find that interesting. My M77 is free floated. I didn't do it, and there is no evidence that the stock has ever been altered.
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Roy Finn
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I'm pretty sure Remington still uses a pressure point on all of their sporter's. Even my Custom Shop African Plains Rifle had a pressure point which is removed now after pillar bedding the rifle. Some sporter's will shoot better with a pressure point, usually just under the front sling swivel stud. I know I had a BDL Stainless Synthetic that had a molded in pressure point from the factory. Took care of that one as well with a McMillan replacement stock. I much prefer a free floated barrel to a bedded one. It just lends itself to a more consistent shooter.
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I've got a friend that has a Ruger M77 in 7mm Mouser that grouped about 5"@ 100yds. He free floated the barrel and the groups got worse. He then cut 2 buisness cards down and stuck them between the stock and barrel to put some preassure on the barrel. It now groups about 1 1/4"to 1 1/2". Now that's high tech gunsmithing!
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It was manufactured in 1989 according to the serial number. The guy that bought it originally is a lefty and bought this right bolt rifle. He shot about 50 rounds through it, put it in the gun safe for the next 15 years and never shot it. He decided to sell it and I picked it up basically brand new with a scope on it for 350 cash. It is a 300 win mag and shoots an 1" or better at 100 yards. I have never even tried to put pressure on the barrel to see what happens. Don't see a point.
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RifleDude
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Roy is correct. ALL wood stocked Remington 700s with sporter contour barrels come out of the box with a pressure point against the barrel near the end of the forend.
Some rifles shoot better with the pressure point, some don't. However, a wood stock can swell and move, so the amount of dampening pressure on the barrel is subject to change. A floated barrel may not always provide better accuracy than a bedded barrel, but usually heavy barrel contours do better without any pressure pads, which is why Remington's heavy barrel contour models are floated. Anytime I accurize a M700, I always pillar bed the action and remove this pressure point to float the barrel. I have almost always found an improvement in accuracy when I sand out the pressure pad, so I'm puzzled by Remington's decision to keep using it in their sporters.
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Sometimes thin (sporter) barrel contours benefit from added support near the end of the forend channel to dampen barrel "whip" and improve accuracy. The problem is finding the optimal "sweet spot" location to tune the barrel for best accuracy for the load used, as well as finding the optimal amount of upward pressure, which can change over time if the stock shrinks or swells any. This is why barrel pressure pads are tricky and why it is usually better to just float the barrel and tune with your load data instead of trying to find the optimal barrel dampening location. Even though a floated barrel may not always produce the very best accuracy with a given load compared to a bedded barrel, it will usually produce the most consistent results, because the barrel isn't influenced by any external pressures.
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Ted
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Tip69
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interesting! I have had times when my 700 BDL .223 wouldn't shoot.... I thought the scope was bad, I wonder if humidity or something like that was the issue. It shoots great now.
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hey heres a interesting article about some of the science behind what you guys are discussing.
http://www.ozfclass.com/articles/1/psm_2005_03.html |
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trigger29
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I have a Sub MOA Vanguard which is not free floated. I don't know if its the composite stock or what, but this gun always groups about 5/8" regardless of temp & humidity.
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Edited by pyro6999 - April/21/2008 at 20:47 |
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I am new to high powered riffles. but that is finally useful...because I have researched just about every munufacturer there is. I have found that just about all the top 10 have ATLEAST ONE MODEL that is free floating. The beleif right now is that "free floating" is the way to go. It come down tohat YOU believe and how YOU think...confidence in your gun only makes YOU better. My great-grandfather would say...free floating what the hell is that, the barrel is going to fall off. He was the best shot I have seen in along time.
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shoot straight or don't shoot at all
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Indy
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however I just bought a free floating weatherby.
personal preference. |
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shoot straight or don't shoot at all
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