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Anyone else think that it is absurd for the federal gov't to be going after this idiot.  I am completely against dog fighting in every way shape and form.  But, this is a local issue.  I would think that after 9/11 and with a war going on, the federal gov't should have more pressing issues to fix.  Maybe the gov't could shift some of those resources off of Vick and onto securing the borders.  Does this mean that we are going to jail every idiot in this country who fights dogs?  If that is the case, I can assure you that we don't have enough prisons.  Also, since when can a dog be raped?  Mating stands are used by more than one legitimate breeder.  And, I am sorry, but you can't murder a dog.  As far as that goes, any ethical breeder is going to be forced to cull the rejects from his breeding program.  And no, I am not insinuating that Mike Vick is an ethical / legitimate breeder.  I see this case as one of sensationalism that is designed to shift attention away from more pressing issues.  Issues like our ridiculously pourus borders and the war effort.  I do think Vick is probably guilty as hell and should be facing charges.  But, I think the local D.A should be the one handling this case.  This is simply an example of the federal gov't getting involved into places that they have no business being in. 

 

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maybe they did that to prove a point, that just because you are famous and have money doesnt mean you get away with it, but i totally agree with you on this.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

maybe they did that to prove a point, that just because you are famous and have money doesnt mean you get away with it, but i totally agree with you on this.

 

If that is the case, where were they during the O.J. trial?

 

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If I remember correctly, the feds are involved because more than one state is involved. The indictment came down in Virginia, but I think that one or two other states are in play here, making this a federal offense as opposed to individual local jurisdiction becoming involved......
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Originally posted by ranburr ranburr wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

maybe they did that to prove a point, that just because you are famous and have money doesnt mean you get away with it, but i totally agree with you on this.

 

If that is the case, where were they during the O.J. trial?

 

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look at what happened to paris "grey bar" hilton hotel, her money got her out for a min then the judge got pissed and made a point to the world

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Football Heros...  If you are getting paid millions to play a kids game, then don't be an idiot! 

 

My friends kid just made a small college baseball team.  The coach gave him a good understanding  of what he could and could not do. It's not like the guy has not known better for years.  Any form of gambling and sports do not go together. Ask Pete" I should be in the hall of Fame" Rose.

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i gotta be frank here - i have always thought michael vick was a thug, and a terrible role model for young atheletes.

 

i just hate that it took THIS long for that jerk to get in trouble.  Professional sports needs to stop paying millions to terrible
role models.  He is one of the most over-rated NFL players of all time.  Yeah, he's got some good moves - but nothing to
put in the record books as legendary.  Sportsmanship is a dying animal. 

 

he is getting 'support' for all the wrong reasons - he was breaking the law, and should be punished.

 

it's not just because he is michael vick - the MEDIA is blowing it up, not the feds - they go after nobody's all the time.

 

good riddance, Mike Vick.  Can't stand him - the NFL is better w/out him.

 

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the NFL for Michael Vick now stands for "Not For Long"
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indeed.  i hope more follow him out the door.

 

cut salaries back.  and offer BIG money deals to folks that have manners and common sense.

and get rid of the thugs and riff raff.

 

long live college sports !!!!

 

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You can take the (insert whatever you want) out of the (insert whatever you want) but you can't take the (insert whatever you want) out of the (insert whatever you want).

 

I think he's getting off easy

 

His above the law attitude and the grand scale of the operation had a lot to do with how and why they went after him so hard.  The details of how they tortured and killed the dogs being made public is what really did him in.  Some people say it is just because he is rich and famous that caused the prosecution to go all out.  I think money and power played more of a role as an enabler on his behalf.  Had he not been rich and famous the operation would not have been funded like it was and not able to be as far reaching as it was.

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Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

You can take the (insert whatever you want) out of the (insert whatever you want) but you can't take the (insert whatever you want) out of the (insert whatever you want).

 

I think he's getting off easy

 

His above the law attitude and the grand scale of the operation had a lot to do with how and why they went after him so hard.  The details of how they tortured and killed the dogs being made public is what really did him in.  Some people say it is just because he is rich and famous that caused the prosecution to go all out.  I think money and power played more of a role as an enabler on his behalf.  Had he not been rich and famous the operation would not have been funded like it was and not able to be as far reaching as it was.

 

I couldn't agree more.

 

I'm a dog lover and Vick should be horse whipped for what he did!!

Funny how all his "homies" rolled over on him too.....  

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Originally posted by jonbravado jonbravado wrote:

i gotta be frank here - i have always thought michael vick was a thug, and a terrible role model for young atheletes.

 

i just hate that it took THIS long for that jerk to get in trouble.  Professional sports needs to stop paying millions to terrible
role models.  He is one of the most over-rated NFL players of all time.  Yeah, he's got some good moves - but nothing to
put in the record books as legendary.  Sportsmanship is a dying animal. 

 

he is getting 'support' for all the wrong reasons - he was breaking the law, and should be punished.

 

it's not just because he is michael vick - the MEDIA is blowing it up, not the feds - they go after nobody's all the time.

 

good riddance, Mike Vick.  Can't stand him - the NFL is better w/out him.

 

J

 

AMEN x a million.

 

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I agree with everyone that Vick should be nailed.  My gripe is with who is doing the nailing.

 

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Originally posted by jonbravado jonbravado wrote:

 

 

Sportsmanship is a dying animal. 

 

 

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Best metaphor of the day!

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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

You can take the (insert whatever you want) out of the (insert whatever you want) but you can't take the (insert whatever you want) out of the (insert whatever you want).

 

I think he's getting off easy

 

His above the law attitude and the grand scale of the operation had a lot to do with how and why they went after him so hard.  The details of how they tortured and killed the dogs being made public is what really did him in.  Some people say it is just because he is rich and famous that caused the prosecution to go all out.  I think money and power played more of a role as an enabler on his behalf.  Had he not been rich and famous the operation would not have been funded like it was and not able to be as far reaching as it was.

 

I couldn't agree more.

 

I'm a dog lover and Vick should be horse whipped for what he did!!

Funny how all his "homies" rolled over on him too.....  

 

i wonder if snoop dogg threw is ass under bus?

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He copped a plea of guilty yesterday or today!!!!! I guess there will be no trial.......He`ll do some time but i believe that when his prison time is up, no NFL team will pick him up! Bad PR move for any team to acquire him!.....He`ll go on Larry King or Oprah or maybe even write a book
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What a role model for our kids

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Tahqua.............Where did you get that pic?........Are those hands for real or are they a photo shop job makeover?....I watch alot of NFL interviews, but I never saw him do that!....However, that doesn`t surprise me though!
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I believe this is from the interview after the Saints kicked their butts and he flipped off the Atlanta fans.

http://www.smithappens.com/picture/383/Michael-vick-flips-of f-own-fans.html

What he did was for real, this pic may be dubbed.



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There's more about this P.O.S.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jEss5tY_o-A

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Heard on the news today that he will do some prison time. May get 3 years but actually serve 12 to 18 months!.....................I betcha that PETA really loves him!.... No! I`m not referring to people like us........ (PEOPLE EATING TASTY ANIMALS).......dogs excluded though!
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And when he got busted at Miami International Airport with weed.............REALLY!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RjtVnqZCndo

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Originally posted by ranburr ranburr wrote:

I agree with everyone that Vick should be nailed.  My gripe is with who is doing the nailing.

 

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It was a 3 or 4 state dog fighting operation. If he were charged by the state it would be a huge mess because each state prosecution would have to file individual charges & cooperate with the evidence. He fought dogs in South Carolina, North Carolina & Virginia. You would be looking at 3 different trials in 3 different states. The Feds should be in charge of the entire operation because 1 Federal prosecutor is handling the case & all the evidence against him.

 

Not only that but this entire investigation DID NOT start with the Feds looking for dog fighters. The home where the Feds found all the dogs was under drug survelliance. When they did a raid, they found 66 dogs on the property. So its only right that the feds are handling this case. Drug trafficking & prostitution fuels things like dog fighting. Of course Vick didn't sell drugs, but every fight he lost, thats thousands of NFL dollars going into the pocket under the table to some drug dealing scumbag or pimp.



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It just goes to show that in many ways, wrong doing will catch up to the wrong doer!!!
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Gotta disagree with you here Obi Wan Kenobi. 
As far as I am concerned, have multiple trials in multiple states.  If that were the case, he would do real time in state pens.  Also, regardless what the original investigation was for, they are charging him for the dog fighting.  This is not something an overzealous federal prosecutor should be involved in.  If so, our federal courts are going to be overloaded with dog fighting cases.  The federal gov't should be focused on bigger issues and leave local issues to local authorities.  I suspect that this probably started out as a federal drug case that went no where.  The gov't can't spend all those tax dollars and come up empty handed. Thus the dog fighting charges.  

 

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