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I have a Kahles 2-7x36 AH. This scopes is about 5 years old. It also has a smallish hole filled with this putty type substance. The scope has been used and abused in all types of crappy weather with no ill effects.
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I really think that this is added sealant on top of a set screw.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

im not taking it as an attack on kahles, i am just slightly pissed because a question about an etched reticle was answered 2 weeks ago and the author of the question didnt see it so he asked it again thats what pissed me off, like i said there a plenty of kahles owners in here, but they are probably like me and are clueless about the holes and since they dont know better probably dont care. i cant afford a scope of that caliber hell the nicest scope cost wise i own was a gift, otherwise a nikon monarch is all the better i can afford, some day i will own a  kahles scope because i know its a good name in the biz. yeah there probably is a lot of people just saying kahles, i am one of them, but who would argue that a kahles isnt a good suggestion?? 
 
Pyro, I read this forum because it was my perception that the questions were being answered by experts or at least users and owners  If all you are doing is repeating the answers that you see, and recommending products that you don't use, what value is there to that? Also, why would you be "pissed" when answering a question on a forum?  If you don't want to participate, why not just let it be?  I saw your answers to the user SamC in another thread and would say that I would be very put off about joining this forum if you are going to continue to big league new users. 
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For what it's worth, I took this CL scope to Saskatchewan in late November on a whitetail hunt.  The temps every morning were -14 to -19 F.  Had no problems whatsoever the entire week, so whatever that stuff is the performance is unaffected.

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I've got a Kahles 3-9x42 CL, I noticed the putty filled hole the first day I owned it. I just assumed that there was a set screw under there. After reading this thread, I went and looked at every scope that's in my gun cabinet. Each and every scope has a set screw somewhere on the power ring so I'm going to continue to assume that Kalhes counter-sunk a set screw and filled the hole with putty either for looks or for waterproofing. It never bothered me one bit.
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Well some varied responses from kahles owners, thats good for the thread. Judging from the responses some may think my comments are directed towards the kahles not being as fog or weather proof.......nothing could be further from the point of my comments. I believe the kahles are just as durable as any other top shelf scope. My comments concerning the filled holes effecting my decision to purchase one are purely asthetic, I find it like a bolt hole with some filler over it in plain view on an expensive sports car. Durable and strong.....yes......pleasing to MY eye?.....no. I have owned many brands and model scopes from $30 on up thru the years and never owned one that the purge port wasn't a fastening screw for the power ring or some other integral part and never just a hole out in the scope body somewhere. Never saw one covered with a dab of sealer either, just don't appeal to me from a top of the line scope builder. Like my first post said, no offence, but I'll pass on this feature and understand that others don't mind it at all. Its a personal preference and I feel a bit different apparently. Thank you for the responses as I was considering a kahles as a next scope purchase and as such was watching this and the other kahles thread with much interest. Thats the beauty and importance of these optics sites and threads......a chance to find things out through others experiences and opinions.

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Focus, I here what you are saying. Even if my scopes had that ugly glob of sealant, it would be on the underside of the ocular housing.
I have noticed that Kahles is touting their water proofing in recent months to include adjustment turret caps and such. The sealant may have been something that they thought would help and I'm sure it does.
The scope market is changing right now, a lot of it in part due to the Swarovski Z6. Elite is coming out with 6x zoom, Nikon just went to 4x zoom across the Monarchs. It seems as though several companies, including Kahles, are promoting side "focus", sorry about the pun.
Anyway, I don't really want all these bells and whistles for my big game scopes. I have Elites, Monarchs, Burris, Leupold and Kahles. My Kahles 30mm C's are the absolute best, both optically and mechanically. With the 30mm tubes they are the proverbial brick outhouse. The problem is that some of my favorites are disappearing and the Sample List is what I am left with. I'm not telling, either, because I need a few more Wink

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I've had a CL 3-9X42 for about a year and never even noticed what y'all are talking about til now.  The bigger hole on the zoom ring is filled with something soft.  I'm not about to dig it out; it's obviously supposed to be there.  You'd think on a scope that expensive they'd come up with something a little slicker than that.  Maybe that's why they're selling a bunch of stuff so cheap right now; new and better coming.  My CL has been great though.  Once you look through one at that big in your face image others don't look so good.
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Originally posted by mwyates mwyates wrote:

I've had a CL 3-9X42 for about a year and never even noticed what y'all are talking about til now.  The bigger hole on the zoom ring is filled with something soft.  I'm not about to dig it out; it's obviously supposed to be there.  You'd think on a scope that expensive they'd come up with something a little slicker than that.  Maybe that's why they're selling a bunch of stuff so cheap right now; new and better coming.  My CL has been great though.  Once you look through one at that big in your face image others don't look so good.
 
Absolutely, I've had 4200, Monarch and VariX-III's side by side plenty in the last few weeks. Even my buddies, who don't pay much attention to optics, say "wow" when going to the Kahles. My brother has a Conquest, which is by no means a 30mm Diavari, but the Kahles still rules.
 
 
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Originally posted by bricat bricat wrote:

Just got a new Kahles 2-7x36 CL. I noticed that on the bottom of the magnification adustment ring that there is/was a hole about 1/4 inch on diameter that seems to be filled with some sort of black putty. There is another small hole about 1/8 inch filled with the same putty like substance on the bottom of the eye box right above the words "made in Austria" Is this normal? Do I have a defective or tampered with scope?  Also, does the CL have an etched reticle or wire? Somebody help please! Thanks, Bricat
 
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I was visiting relatives for Christmas and just now noticed this thread.  Bricat, to answer your questions:
1.  Yes, the "putty" substance is normal.  All 4 of my Kahles scopes have it.  It is a flexible sealant of some sort, but it is there merely to hide the cam screw, not for any sealing purposes.  I agree that maybe they could have selected a more elegant way of hiding the screw, however, it stays put, and I personally don't find it to be objectionable looking. 
2.  All current Kahles reticles are etched glass.
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Thank you-Thank you-Thank you-Mystery solved!!!      Bricat
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

 All current Kahles reticles are etched glass.
 
Bricat, I gave you incorrect info here.
In another thread, SamC posted an email he got from Kahles, Austria that said only some of their reticles are glass etched.  Simpler reticles like the plex, 4a, etc are metal, but the more intricate reticles and the illuminated reticles are glass etched.
 
I apologize for the confusion. 
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Very interesting! I actually called Kahles and spoke to some guy named Ron in customer service. He said that it indeed was putty that is hiding a set screw. I asked him about the reticle, whether it was etched or wire. Ron assured me that the reticle (4a) on the 2-7x36 CL is an etched reticle, but I am still not convinced. When I look through my Zeiss Conquest, the reticle is crisp and black as coal no matter what light source i am exposed to or what angle or intensity of light, it simply stays the same-black! When I look through my Kahles in these varrying light scenarios, it changes color and quite frankly , it looks like it's made out of metal. Sometimes it looks black-change the light source and intensity and it becomes pinkish and sometimes it looks like slightly tarnished brass. I had several Leupolds that behaved the same way and I know that those were metal reticles. So what's the real deal?-etched or metal???    Bricat
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RifleDude,
My email from Austria addressed only the KX series and not anything else. Maybe other models are not etched, but maybe they are! My impression was that she was only talking about the KX series.
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Originally posted by bricat bricat wrote:

Very interesting! I actually called Kahles and spoke to some guy named Ron in customer service. He said that it indeed was putty that is hiding a set screw. I asked him about the reticle, whether it was etched or wire. Ron assured me that the reticle (4a) on the 2-7x36 CL is an etched reticle, but I am still not convinced. So what's the real deal?-etched or metal???    Bricat
 
I guess I'm not so certain anymore, because when I said they were all etched reticles, I was passing on something I read in Kahles literature and evidently I misunderstood it to mean that all of their scopes have etched reticles.  Supporting that conclusion, SONA also told me all the Kahles reticles are etched, but based on several contradictory statements I and several others here have been receiving from SONA lately, I don't trust what they tell me with regard to Kahles anymore.  Really, though, I could personally care less whether the reticle is etched or wire!  The color change is only noticed in very seldom seen actual circumstances, almost never when shooting at animals, and even if it is, the reticle is still plenty visible when it counts.  The optical quality of Kahles scopes is so good, it thoroughly spanks the Conquest enough to my way of thinking that I don't care about the differences in the reticle, as long as the reticle works and is plenty visible anytime I need to use it.  I don't see what the big deal is really, because even if it is wire, plenty of very fine scopes have wire reticles, and some etched reticles will still exhibit the color reflection in off axis light angles that you talk about.  My S&B Zenith has an etched reticle because it has the #9 Flashdot, and under very rare light angle conditions, I can see the reflective color change you describe.
 
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I am certain of the fact the putty is just there to hide setscrews so it has a more "clean" appearance, though.  Several other scopes I own have the same sealer over the setscrews, and other scopes leave the set screws exposed.  Again, the putty has no sealing function whatsoever, because the setscrews are glued in place.  It is just used to hide the setscrews for appearance reasons.
 
 


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Remember when talking about whether the reticle is etched or not we are  only talking about the KX series. Here is the actual question I asked Kahles in my email:

"Does your KX line of scopes have an etched reticle?"

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