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ncdrummer 
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 Topic: German Nickel Supra scope?Posted: November/27/2007 at 18:41 |
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Is anyone familiar with a German-made scope called Nickel Supra? I have one in excellent condition and wonder what it may be worth. I believe it's a 2.5-6x34 maybe? Thanks. BTW, the optics are really nice and it has 1st plane reticle #4.
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Mannlicher7
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Posted: November/27/2007 at 20:49 |
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Some call it Gerhardt... You have one of the very best riflescope on earth. The Nickel is at the same quality/performance level than Schmidt and Bender... Some would argue that they are better.... The price is on par the quality......big!
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Narrow Gap
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Posted: November/28/2007 at 17:29 |
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Anyone know why this scope is not marketed in U.S.A.? I have heard before they are very good quality scopes. I too have heard Kaps Optics of Germany are vey good scopes but also not marketed much in U.S.A. |
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HuntMaster
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Posted: November/28/2007 at 18:36 |
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I once contacted Gerhardt Nickel to see if I could import some onto the U.S. . They said they were a small company and were only interested in the European market. No interest in the U.S. at all. Since that time, they have changed their marketing strategy and you can now buy one directly from the factory. ( www. gerhardt-nickel.de ) There is an english page available.
Be advised however, the prices are in Euro's , so you can multiply the price x 1.48 which is the going rate. And, customs adds another 14.9% to the cost as well as a pain in the butt,and it's expensive to ship.
Also, Technica.nu posted a review to me that was relatively negative about Nickel. I would take his word for it. ( poor mechanics and unimpressive glass )
Derek Edited by HuntMaster - November/28/2007 at 18:39 |
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Mannlicher7
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Posted: November/28/2007 at 20:28 |
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It is really strange that report from Technica about Gerhardt Nickel riflescope and I'm telling why:1º) A gun magazine from Sweden (it seem that is the same magazine that explodes rifles for strength testing) assembled a team of optotechnic people that armed with a battery of scientific instrument runned a whole set of rigourous test on 30 plus scopes from the main brand. Some of them were present with two or three riflescope as was the case with Zeiss, Swarovski etc....
At the end Zeiss occupied the first three top place. Swarovski (even with five point behind the german brand) occupied the fourth and fifth. The sixth place was Gerhardt's Nickel Supra....ex aequo Schmidt und Bender... We are talking world's top notch riflescope here... So there is no room for "poor mechanics and unimpressive glass"...and keep in mind that Zeiss didn't grab the maximum score point because they were penalized (unlike other) for the only non scientifically measurable subject........!ERGONOMICS!.
2º) I know the scope and compared them to my own Zeiss being the only optomechanical differences: a) slightly less field of view b) less eye relief (80mm. to Zeiss's 90mm.)
Optically at daylight I could not tell the difference between both, (although I could nottice one between Zeiss and Swarovski) so good are the lenses. At night Zeiss has a slight advantage.
Mechanically I heard no complains. On the contrary... People that are using them say that they are just like the Zeiss... What you dial is what you get....repeatable on demand.
So whom I'm going to believe!!?...Me... Just me...
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www.technika.nu
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Posted: November/28/2007 at 23:37 |
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I have some nickels and I am not Impressed at all.
THe quality is not on par with Smith u Bender or any other of the better european brands.
I would say that Nickel is the lowest of all the Europeans.
But, I don't have any experience of the latest manufactured items, just of older.
They was known of having the poorest sealings, and uses no o-rings at all, just fat sealings.
So Nickel might be ok, if it's cheap, othervise it's better to avoid it.
Regards Technika
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Mannlicher7
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Posted: November/29/2007 at 21:05 |
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I don´t understand.... You say that you own several Nickel and that they are the lowest of all european brand. Intriguing to me is why a person would buy a scope that cost USD$1.500 to USD$2.000 (minimum) realize that they are worthless and then buy a whole bunch of them.... Are we talking about the same model and brand? Gerhardt Nickel Supra!!? Do you really believe that we (european hunter and shooter) are completely stupid to pay a fortune for a scope that cost nearly the same as a Schmidt and Bender
to find that's pure s***t and then say nothing about it!!? Were those optotechnician working for the magazine running the test completely mentally retarded!!? By the way...what are you talking about poorest sealings!? No O ring!!? !!Have you ever looked at a Nickel Supra!!? That seems Swarovski talking...!!
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www.technika.nu
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Posted: November/30/2007 at 00:17 |
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Older Nickels are often close to no money at all here.
I have a 2,5-6x36 that was bought in a gunstore for 20-30 dollars due to lensseparation in the front lens, that is now fixed.
I have a 4-10x42 that came of a rifle that was sold for more money than I paid for it.
And I have had some 4X that came for free.
Also I have one Nickel 15-60X60 spotting scope, that mostly resamble the feeling of watching through an old aquarium, even though the optics in it is in perfect condition.
So totally, I have spent less than hundred dollars on Nickel.
Before I had one Nickel 4-10x42 that not could be mounted in Apel rings as soon the rings was tightend the variable ring was looked up.
And it's not Gerhardt Nickel supra, it's Nickel Supra, the name it had before Gerhardt.
Those scopes are probably around 20-30 years old, maybe older.
Regards Technika
Here is my kimber Super America with Nickel 2,5-6X.
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Mannlicher7
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Posted: November/30/2007 at 13:22 |
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Beautiful rifle! Is it good? Precise? Wich caliber? It seems a small one...
The scope model you talked are non existent in the actual Nickel line so they must be really old. The ones I'm talking are from about ten years ago up to present date ...If they were such a crap then they must have improved a lot because it is not in reach of any scope manufacturer to be considered among the top five....This is a very very competitive sector where the smallest flaw can bury your name for quite a few year or maybe for ever...
As I said the ones I saw were flawless but of course they are not at the exact same level of Zeiss. But at Schmidt and Bender's definitely...
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pyro6999
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Mr. Anti .270 Joined: December/22/2006 Location: Minnesota Online Status: Offline Posts: 13051 |
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Posted: November/30/2007 at 14:35 |
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that stock is a beauty tech, course with a kimber im not surprised but man she's pretty
Edited by pyro6999 - November/30/2007 at 14:35 |
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now i know why i bought a .375H&H!!
.270win sucks 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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www.technika.nu
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Posted: November/30/2007 at 16:33 |
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It's an 82 super america .22 LR in the first batch before they went bacruptecy in the 80th.
So there is all the bells and whistels that after the recontruction of the company was removed, such as steel butt plate, sceleton grip cap, 1/4 rib etc.
It's exceptionally well made, when looking at the craftmanship.
But the accuracy it's difficult and before the bedding it was really sh*t.
However it's probably the nicest handeling .22 rifle I have used so far.
Regards Technika
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Reiska
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Posted: August/14/2009 at 08:40 |
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I am happy to agree with both Mannlicher and Technica.
I have three Nickels.
The first one is 4*36, with steel frame, some 40 years old. Not of any high quality, clearly inferior to the best Europeans of the time. The rectile is not centered, and twilight view is bad.
Then I have two scopes, purchased as new 2007 and 2009. They are the best scopes I have. Obviously close to global top quality. Probably somewhat better than German-made Zeiss, of which I have only one scope for comparison.
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