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I might as well add my .02 cents.   Snipers using .308 are using the 175gr Sierra Matchking and for 300 win mag the 190gr Sierra Matchking. The .308 is about a 700 to 800 yd rifle before the bullet drops sub sonic and developes some instability.  Since the 30-06 is just a tad faster pushing the same bullets as a .308 there is most certainly NOTHING WRONG WITH THE CHOICE OF CALIBER !!!  I have shot a deer at 600 yds with a 30-06 and at that distance it makes little difference if you use a 150 or a 165 or a 168 or a 175 or a 180 grain etc bullet.  As long as you know the trajectory of the particular bullet you use and can hit reliably any of these bullets will kill deer at the distances you are attempting to shoot.  If your rifle shoots a tight group keep it if it's a little loose trade up to a model 700 and when you are ready have the stock glass bedded and free float the barrel and have the trigger worked on. There are many other things that can be done to increase the accuracy of a rifle
http://www.gaprecision.net/  a few minutes on this site should provide some info.  As for optics there are trade-offs in features like higher power scopes need a larger front objective to produce a useable exit eye pupil ( how much light it lets through) or dial the power down at dark to brighten the scope.  Many people shoot a thousand yards with open sights so a high power scope is not a necesity but can be a pleasure on a rifle range, too much power in the field can work against you if you are close, stalking, in timber etc. Most people find a 3-9x40 is about right some like a little more power like a 4-16 and I have some of each but lean toward the Leupold VXIII 4.5-14x50 with a 30mm tube and the Bushnell 4200 4-16x40 as my favorites but I tend to hunt from a stand rather than stalk, when I stalk I use an aimpoint red dot but would highly recommend Trijicon Accupoint scopes the illuminated objective does help and is very fast. 

AMMUNITION BALLISTICS FOR: .30-06

 
 
      VELOCITY ENERGY TRAJECTORY
CARTRIDGE BULLET MFG. WT. TYPE MUZZ. 100 YDS. 200 YDS. 300 YDS. 400 YDS. 500 YDS. MUZZ. 100 YDS. 200 YDS. 300 YDS. 400 YDS. 500 YDS. 100 YDS. 300 YDS. 400 YDS. 500 YDS.
30-06 (R) 55 ACEl 4080 3484 2964 2499 2080 1706 2033 1482 1073 763 528 355 +0.7 -4.7 -15.0 -33.6
(L) 123 FMJ 2936 2599 2286 1995 1728 1490 2364 1853 1433 1092 819 609 +1.8 -8.5 -25.9 -54.9
(S) 125 SP 3140 2480 2447 2135 1853 1595 2736 2145 1662 1269 953 706 +1.5 -7.4 -22.4 -47.6
(R) 125 SP 2660 2335 2034 1757 1509 1300 1964 1513 1148 856 632 469 +2.5 -10.9 -33.2 -70.9
(W) 147 FMJ 3020 2794 2579 2374 2178 1992 2976 2548 2171 1839 1549 1295 +1.5 -6.7 -19.6 -39.9
(S) 150 SP 2910 2617 2342 2083 1843 1622 2820 2281 1827 1445 1131 876 +2.1 -8.5 -25.0 -51.8
(R) 150 BP 2910 2656 2416 2189 1974 1773 2820 2349 1944 1596 1298 1047 +1.7 -7.7 -22.7 -46.6
(W) 150 SP 2960 2705 2464 2235 2919 1815 2919 2437 2022 1664 1358 1098 +1.6 -7.4 -21.7 -44.6
(Hi) 150 SP 2936 2711 2498 2294 2099 1915 2872 2449 2078 1753 1468 1221 +1.6 -7.2 -21.0 -42.8
(H) 150 SST-LM 3100 2860 2631 2414 2208 2013 3200 2724 2306 1941 1624 1350 +1.4 -6.6 -19.2 -38.6
(SB) 150 SP 2887 2555 2262 2002 1749 1520 2770 2170 1700 1332 1019 770 +1.9 -8.6 -26.0 -55.0
(S) 150 HP 2910 2700 2490 2300 2110

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Excellent info there urimaginary, I'm sure folks will find it useful.
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.30-06 Sprg., 165 gr. IB
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Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
Muzzle 100 yd 200 yd 300 yd 400 yd 500 yd
3015/3330 2802/2876 2599/2474 2405/2118 2219/1803 2041/1526
Trajectory (inches)
Muzzle 100 yd 200 yd 300 yd 400 yd 500 yd
-1.50 1.50 0.00 -6.60 -19.30 -39.00
   This is the info from the Hornady site. they list the ballistics for all their ammunition. Note that this is a light mag shell,Which from what I understand you can shoot in a bolt action only.
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I dont have a 30-06. I am useing a 308,and for those of you that are using one also here is some Info on the Light mag round I am going to try.
.308 Win., 165 gr. BTSP
8598
Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
Muzzle 100 yd 200 yd 300 yd 400 yd 500 yd
2880/3038 2668/2607 2465/2226 2272/1890 2087/1595 1911/1337
Trajectory (inches)
Muzzle 100 yd 200 yd 300 yd 400 yd 500 yd
-1.50 1.70 0.00 -7.40 -21.60 -43.80
 
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Absolutely keep us posted.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dpslusser Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/29/2007 at 12:57
I definetly can't do the price of a Leupold or anything like that. So, I was looking at Bushnell's elite series, like someone here urimaginaryfrnd suggested. I like Bushnell's 320  5-15x50 AO. I found it for 290.00 bucks. What do you guys think. Any other suggestions. Just remember, im limited to "resources."
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I understand your limited to resources.  However If you can spend about 59 dollars more they have some Zeiss Conquest 3 x 9 x 40's on the Sample list here, http://www.samplelist.com/ , which are a very good buy.  I have one on my Browning Bar Longtrack Stalker 30-06.  I absolutely love it.  Very nice glass and fully multi coated lenses.  Not to mention the the lifetime transferable warranty.  I spent the season using this setup this year and would highly recommend it.
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But it seems if I was to get a wide zoom range (3-9 compared to 5-15) I get better flexability over-all. I'll be able to zoom in when target or varmit hunting and even for those long range shots. but still be able to dial it down for those walk-about brush hunts. Am I rite?
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DP.............Here is a little advice that will cut to the chase that will solve your long range 30-06 problem!!!.........First! For your 30-06, if possible, always zero your rifle at 300 yards, regardless of the terrain or the yardage!! Why? With a 300 yard zero, your guess work from say a 50 yard shot to a 400 yard shot will be greatly reduced. Aim a little lower for shots at around 150 yards or less;; aim dead on from 200 yards to 325 yards and approx. 8" higher or whatever it happens to be for the 400 yard shots! With a 300 yard zero, you can pretty much zero your crosshairs on the kill zone of an animal from 50 yards to 350 yards and be successful with little or no guess work...........For the 30-06, the 165 gr. and the 180 gr. are the better choice bullets for the longer ranges. The have a better BC than do the 150`s. While the 150`s have a faster MV, they also have a lower BC. Downrange the 165`s and the 180`s will catch up, so to speak, in velocity,  maintain better energy #`s, and do so with better trajectories or less bullet drop as well. For those reasons, I have never used a 150 gr. to hunt with, in either my old 300 Win. or my new 300 WSM. It`s not the bullet speed at the muzzle that matters as much, as opposed to what it does downrange!!!..................Secondly! If you don`t have a chronograph, get one! If you know your velocities, from your loads, with your individual rifle, then you can determine with great accuracy, the flight path or trajectory of your particular bullet and eliminate most if not all, any guess work in hold under or hold over!!! If you know your bullet`s BC, there are many sources to calculate the bullet flight path (impact points) at the 100 yd. mark, at 200 yards, 300 and so on...................Thirdly! Do have a good range finder??? If not, get one of those too. I have one that calculates in degrees the up angle or the down angle of the shot to the target, which then adjusts or calculates the yardage for the shot...................If you do your part along with using the proper bullet, the 30-06 is an excellent long range cartridge for deer sized game on up to and including the big bull elk!!! Although debatable, remember too that for an average deer, with a well placed shot, 1000 ft. lbs. of down range energy AT IMPACT, is all that is needed. For the big elks about 1500 ft. lbs. is necessary. For the moose? About 1500 to 2000 ft. lbs. is good. Keep in mind, that is simply a guide, not an absolute, but nevertheless very effective!!!................As far as any rifle or scope is concerned? If you feel comfortable with your current rifle and scope, stay with them! If not, then a good quality 3x9 to a 4x12 would be an ideal choice for the `06!... A new rifle? Too many good choices out there for me to expound on! That would be more a personal preference anyway!!!!......Good luck!  
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I agree With BS.
Don't get confused with the theories, get empirical, that is to say shoot your rifle in a 300 yard range. Have you already done that? You must if you're going to shoot a that distance...
¿The best ammo? The one you can get to print 3 shots in a 5-6 inch circle at 300 yds.
And then you would know how much bullet drop you have. From real life, not the charts.
I'd get a better scope (don't like too much X 'cause it limits field of view) and if your 710 can´t print those groups, get another gun or hunt closer.
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I no for a fact between 200-225 yards. I can place three shots in a 2 diameter circle. I have yet to try farther ranges. (I guess its time to mow the entire 500 yard range). BS thanks for the information. I think thats what im going to do. Then I would be covered between all ranges. The biggest thing im noticing, is in order to place shot comfortably, many practice shots will have to be taken.
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