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 Cheaptrick is quite perspicacious.  I think the Root of what he was trying to say is that the all-copper Barnes bullets are frequently and erroneously cited as being a viable prairie dog bullet, when in fact a bullet design with a Slim, highly frangible jacket is more effective on the little critters.  Those of us who've spend a lot of time exploding prairie poodles have found bullet designs like the Nosler Ballistic Tip Varmint, Speer TNT, Sierra Blitzking, Berger MEF, Hornady V-Max & SP, etc. do a much better job of kicking rodent Asp!  As for lead and the environment, I'm all for protecting the environment as much as possible, if indeed the small amount of lead in jacketed bullets really does present problems to the degree cited.  However, too often those who get up in arms about lead are hiding their real anti-gun agenda, and they are often the same busybodies who complain about the use of ATVs on public forest service roads.



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I vote for the Hornaday V-Max , it my experence to works very well and it cost about half what the Corbon DPX with the Barnes bullets. Looking at the two cartrages in my pistol the Hornady 240 gr. xtp/mag looks just like the Corbon with the Barnes excedpt the cuts in the bullet appear to be deeper and cleaner cut. My point the Barnes are good but just don`t seem to justify the price.

 

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Let loose the hounds!!!!!!!

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Larryeee....Come out to playeeee....Larryeee....come out to playeeeee!

 

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Hey, CT, based on your new avatar and the use of the term "Talley Ho," are you a former fighter pilot?  If so, what bird did you fly?

 

The reference to combat pilots reminds me of the many stories my neighbor (Larry Asproot, call sign "Slim") used to tell me about his 3 tours flying Thuds over the Red River and the buddies "on the wall" he lost "over there."

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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Hey, CT, based on your new avatar and the use of the term "Talley Ho," are you a former fighter pilot?  If so, what bird did you fly?

 

The reference to combat pilots reminds me of the many stories my neighbor (Larry Asproot, call sign "Slim") used to tell me about his 3 tours flying Thuds over the Red River and the buddies "on the wall" he lost "over there."

 

No fighter jock here, Brother.

 

Just a lowly 47252, which is or was a General Purpose Vehicle Maintenance guy.

I was with the 27th Transportation Sq. @ Cannon AFB, NM. for 2.5 years.  

I was just one of "the little people".

 

I had the privilege of knowing some real deal fighter jocks though.

Great people!!

 

Funny, theres ONLY ONE guy that I ever knew that referred to Thailand as "in country"..... 

 

 

 

 

 

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i wonder if shooting an atv with a tsx out of my 300h&h is cool with the univerisity of wyoming?? laramie is a party town i know ive been there and done that, and i know that the enviro nuts fund that school to do a lot of dumbass scientific studies that dont produce anything good. what a waste

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Originally posted by john45acp john45acp wrote:

The term "in country" is still in use today. My daughter-in-law is in Iraq and other places and frequently uses the term as shorthand to indicate Iraq.
Usage began among those of us who served in theater in LBJ's misadventure and was generally extended to all places where there was shooting. The ROK SF will tell you that there plenty of that in Thailand too, contrary to the motor pool scuttlebutt. How are you able to post all these neat pictures?

 

john45acp:

I haven't seen you on Optics Talk before now, so I would like to extend a warm welcome to you Sir.

Also, Godspeed to your daughter in law who's serving in Iraq.

 

From the Motor Pool:

Concerning the whole "in country" deal:

There's a certain individual here who has made some claims concerning his military record.

He claims to have been a F-105 driver stationed in Thailand and flew combat sorties over into Vietnam.

3 tours, mind you.

Based on his behavior I have witnessed here on The OT and other forums, I find his claims highly suspect. 

I have concluded that the guy may have been stationed in Thailand at some time, based on some of his intimate knowledge concerning the price of a Thai....lady of the night, shall we say.   

 

I may be wrong concerning his military campaigns. He may indeed have been a THUD driver, 3 tours, etc. Flying combat missions into Vietnam would certainly constitute being " in country" as well.

 

My Dad was boots on the ground in Vietnam for 11 months (caught Hepititus his 11th month) and called it in country. Friends of mine who were in Vietnam called it in country.

 

Nobody I ever knew who served in Thailand ( I knew more than a few) ever referred to it as in country. Dad had never heard of anybody referring to a tour in Thailand as in country either.

Thailand was considered pretty safe duty for AF dudes compared to Vietnam, although I can't speak for ROK soldiers stationed there.

Hell, some GI's stationed in Vietnam actually R&R'd in Bangkok, or so I'm told. 

 

Edit to add:

In short, I'm saying that based on this individuals claims, time in service, the "in country" deal, 3 tours over there, etc., etc....Is BS.

 

 

 

 

 



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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

 

Cheaptrick is quite perspicacious.  I think the Root of what he was trying to say is that the all-copper Barnes bullets are frequently and erroneously cited as being a viable prairie dog bullet, when in fact a bullet design with a Slim, highly frangible jacket is more effective on the little critters.  Those of us who've spend a lot of time exploding prairie poodles have found bullet designs like the Nosler Ballistic Tip Varmint, Speer TNT, Sierra Blitzking, Berger MEF, Hornady V-Max & SP, etc. do a much better job of kicking rodent Asp!  As for lead and the environment, I'm all for protecting the environment as much as possible, if indeed the small amount of lead in jacketed bullets really does present problems to the degree cited.  However, too often those who get up in arms about lead are hiding their real anti-gun agenda, and they are often the same busybodies who complain about the use of ATVs on public forest service roads.

 

Now that's funny RD. I just barfed my jo all over the place.



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i dont care we are talking about varmints here pesky animals that dig holes in the ground care nasty diseases and cause more livestock and horse's life ending injury's than any other thing on the planet and you want me to worry about a little bit of lead???? that's like wiping before you poop come on

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Originally posted by tenxes tenxes wrote:

rifledude, perhaps if you had read the description of the new barnes varmint bullet rather than doing an audition for a lounge lizard act in Vegas, you would have noted that these new bullets are not solid copper but rather a bi-metalic non lead bullet.
I was told this site was a place for in depth discussion. It appears to me that "insider" entertainment is more on target.
lead bullets will be banned on federal property at some time because most people who solicit and make the rules are not hunters. the experience with lead shot, although not apples to apples, will make the perfect entry point. I remember all the whining about that ban and guess what? hevishot is superior to lead. barnes is on the inside track as all of their bullets (except the originals) will pass the no lead test. Based on what I read in the sporting press there are no complaints about how well any of the current barnes bullets work on paper or game.bet you a case of bud lite that all the bullet makers will have non lead hunting bullets in the next 5 years.

 

C'mon Larry, I know full well the new Barnes bullets are a delrin-tipped, tungsten core design.  I read about it in Handloader magazine, who said it was the finest bullet of its type anywhere in the known universe.  They even had quantitative "side by side testing" in ballistic goo that proved without a shadow of a doubt that it will soon make all other varmint bullets obsolete.  Thanks for bringing me back on track here.  Although I'm certain it will become the favored bullet for varmint hunters nationwide, what I really want to know is how it performs on ATV blocks...

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i cant believe as much as you enjoy horses that you would argue for a critter that causes more injury to horses than dogs wolves coyotes mountain lions ever would

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tin core bc around .125 36 grs. boy are you going to have to push them.. 4000fps?????  But let me get this straight if I go out and shoot at steel targets on fed. land instead of shooting pd with lead bullets --its ok, or will lead simply not be allowed on fed land?? what are the going to use a tin magnet???
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i find it hard to believe that any of this is even being thought of, for christ sake its wyoming its the land of nothing, its 15 miles past the end of the world and 3 miles past hell, the land where there is plenty and as long as you arent hurting someone else they dont care what you do. if deer and elk and moose and cattle and antelope ate gophers and pdogs then i could see it becoming an issue but i dont feel sorry for any varmint that dies from lead poisoning instead of the perfect shot dead is dead on varmints whether they die right away or not should matter
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yeah thats such bullsh*t i cannot even fathom this is being mentioned in the state i called home for most of my life, course they always had stuff backwards there, like even in-state hunters had to draw out to hunt antelope, and they out-number the total population of the state by a ton, but yet they had a stretch there for a few years where everyone could shoot 10 deer during on hunting season and after they did that a couple of years in a row we had some bad winters and now deer hunting is terrible. and now they have people whispering about protecting varmints???
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yeah well you need to read more his idea of the ultimate world is tsx no atv's and no new cartridges, wsm's ultra's weatherby's none of that stuff, by the way i never told you to read anything i never even mentioned his handle to you and i can disagree with someone with fowl language and still know that they think its still the only way things should be done , boddington will use whatever the guy who signs his check tells him to use, i know if i were in his position i would, i really like reading his articles and i respect him a lot. rms was plain and simple an ass
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i dont see what wrong with this starting load in my 300wsm, with a factory setup no aftermarket add on's other than the limbsaver

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