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Hokkmike
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Topic: Best way to level a sope?Posted: March/14/2007 at 09:30 |
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What is the best way that you have found to make sure that the reticles on your rifle scope are perfectly perpendicular and horizontal?
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A great rifle is only as good as the scope on it!
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pyro6999
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Mr. Anti .270 Joined: December/22/2006 Location: Minnesota Online Status: Offline Posts: 13051 |
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Posted: March/14/2007 at 09:42 |
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buy a reticle leveler
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now i know why i bought a .375H&H!!
.270win sucks 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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ceylonc
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Posted: March/14/2007 at 10:01 |
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I use this:
Wheeler Engineering Scope Leveling Tool http://www.(competitor)usa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct? saleit emid=529349 ...another link: http://www.battenfeldtechnologies.com/113088.html
Works great on a bolt action rifle. A good gun vice is also important so that you can keep the rifle steady while tightening down the screws. Edited by ceylonc |
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Dale Clifford
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Posted: March/14/2007 at 11:10 |
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reticles are easy, its getting the rifle level that is the hard part.
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CarnageZ28
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Posted: March/14/2007 at 12:49 |
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If you have a gun vise, or someone who can hold it perfectly level for you, Its actually kinda easy.
Just put the scope on, and then line the reticle up with a plumb bob or something that will be perfectly vertical, such as a a wall or window of your house. Never had no problems doing it like this. The only thing I wouldnt suggest doing this way is something that is super critical like a BDC or MilDot, that, you have to have a good gun vise. |
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Dale Clifford
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Posted: March/14/2007 at 14:47 |
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The most important part is that the horizontals are level with the horizon, most scopes have some reticle cant, so the tube may not be square with the rest of the set up. If cosine is as important as having a perpendicular rec. with gun action, then an electronic or bubble is needed on each shot. MOst people shoot with a slight amount of cast off in the stock, having a square set up can actually cause problems in the cheekweld.
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Bigdaddy0381
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Posted: March/14/2007 at 14:49 |
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in all my scopes the cross hairs are a tad bit leaning to the left. I guess my head wasen't screwed on straight but it works for me.
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ceylonc
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Posted: March/14/2007 at 19:40 |
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NAME BRAND SCOPE -- $300+ NAME BRAND SCOPE RINGS -- $40+ NAME BRAND SCOPE BASE(S) -- $25+ FRUSTRATION & TIME WASTED BECAUSE YOU CAN GET YOUR SCOPE ZEROED BECAUSE IT'S NOT MOUNTED CORRECTLY -- PRICELESS!!!
You can do all sorts of different procedures, tricks, etc. to get your rifle & reticles level OR you can spend LESS THAN $20 on the Wheeler product I mentioned and GET IT DONE RIGHT. Heck, just buy the darn tool, mount your scope in less than 10 minutes (that's about how long it will take you), repackage the tool and sell it on Ebay! That's a tiny fraction of what you're spending for your scope (in most instances)to have the benefits of the scope being mounted RIGHT!
I'm not saying that this tool is the only way to get one mounted correctly but, for the money, it works great, is easy to use and will save you time and give peace of mind that the job was done right. |
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CarnageZ28
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Posted: March/14/2007 at 20:34 |
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But do you guys realize that even if the scope is mounted PERFECTLY LEVEL, as already stated, almost everyone holds the gun canted to one side or the other SEVERAL DEGREES. This does the same thing, as not mounting it level. Think about it. If you hold the gun canted a little bit, the vertical crosshair ( Assuming the scope was mounted exactly correct ) is STILL NOT GOING to lie under the bullets path. No matter what, a bullet will drop STRAIGHT DOWN from gravity, whether the gun is held sideways or not. So if the gun is canted, it will affect your point of aim.
Inless you are a benchrest shooter, at varios distances, or you are shooting at prairie dogs 600+ yards out, there is NO NEED for that tool.
Get the gun mounted level in a gun vise, line the crosshairs up on a pefectly verticle structure, like a window frame or door, and tighten the screws down evenly. Use locktite on them, the temporary stuff. And call it a day. Double check it once tight btw. Ive shot crows multiple times, out in big feilds with some 300-400 yard shots, and never had that be a problem. Your money would be better invested in a range finder or something. |
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ceylonc
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Posted: March/14/2007 at 21:51 |
With all due respect, the Wheeler tool is priced at UNDER $20.00. Where is he going to find a range finder worth a darn for under $20.00???
I agree that there are other ways to mount a scope. I actually used the method you described up until about a year ago & while it worked it was neither fast or completely accurate (had a couple of rifles that ended up being "off" once I got to the range and I had to do it over again; guess the screw tightening messed it up just a little but enough to make adjustments impossible while sighting in). With the tool, the job is done right in 10 minutes or less.
Heck, look at how we spend $20.00 in order to shoot. Most factory boxes of hunting ammo cost more than $20.00. Why not spend less money than what you burn down the barrel on a tool that will correctly allign your scope???? |
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1stscope
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Posted: March/15/2007 at 09:04 |
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There aren't many good reference points on a rifle for leveling, except maybe the flats on M70 action. When mounting a friend's scope recently we took the bolt out, placed the barrel and stock on some open back chairs that we could look thru, let the rifle level itself, and then rotated the scope until it was level.
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CarnageZ28
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Posted: March/15/2007 at 22:41 |
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On some guns, you can line up off of the two screws, or retainers on the recoil pad. Hold a 2 foot level on these lines, level it up, and have someone hold it while you peek through the scope and level the way I mentioned it above.
Hah you know though, for $20, I might get one of them. Im sick of playing level-the-scope ... I thought it said 200 ... Hence the reason I said get a range finder lol ... My bad. |
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