Visit the SWFA.com site to check out our current specials. |
Practical Tactical Shooting |
Post Reply | Page 12> |
Author | |
cheaptrick
MODERATOR Joined: September/27/2004 Location: South Carolina Status: Offline Points: 20844 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Posted: January/03/2007 at 03:30 |
http://demigod.org/articles/practical-long-range-rifle-shoot ing-optics/
I think I posted this here sometime last year. Zak already gave me the OK to post this here.
Good stuff.
|
|
If at first you don't secede...try..try again.
|
|
Trinidad
Optics Master Joined: May/04/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1555 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Great post Cheap.
|
|
cheaptrick
MODERATOR Joined: September/27/2004 Location: South Carolina Status: Offline Points: 20844 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Zak Smith really has his gig together. He has the ability to explain high tech stuff and put it in laymans terms. Glad you like it! (Wish I would have wrote it.....) |
|
If at first you don't secede...try..try again.
|
|
Trinidad
Optics Master Joined: May/04/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1555 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
I hope this post of yours gets read by alot of people here at the OT.
|
|
longbow308
Optics Apprentice Joined: May/16/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 165 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
CT
lots of good stuff there |
|
longbow308
Aim small Miss small |
|
dusky-jeff
Optics GrassHopper Joined: January/17/2007 Status: Offline Points: 17 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Awesome article with a lot of helpful info for someone new to this stuff but one thing confused me. I have been lurking and reading lots of stuff here and most everyone seems to like the super sniper. I am about to order one for my 10FP-LE2A but noticed this under the conclusions section of this article.
"6. The angular units of the reticle features must match the angular units of the knobs' "click" values. There is no reason to have two different "systems" in use on the same scope. If the clicks are in MOA, the reticle features should be in MOA. If the reticle is in mils (e.g. Horus or Mil-dot), the knob clicks should be in mil units."
Did I read it wrong? Is the super sniper not mil dot but with 1/4" adjustment knobs? Is that a drawback to the SS? |
|
cheaptrick
MODERATOR Joined: September/27/2004 Location: South Carolina Status: Offline Points: 20844 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Welcome to The OT!! I'm glad you liked the article.
I might have misunderstood your question, but yes, the SS's are 1/4" MOA adjustments. 1/4" clicks are pretty much the standard in tactical scopes.
|
|
If at first you don't secede...try..try again.
|
|
dusky-jeff
Optics GrassHopper Joined: January/17/2007 Status: Offline Points: 17 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Thanks cheaptrick!...glad to be here. Help me out. Maybe I'm misreading the article but it seems to imply that a scope should be mil adjustments if it's mil dot and moa adjustments if it's reticles are in moa. Is that what it says in the little bit of the article that I copied and quoted in my post? I'm most likely not understanding it correctly.
|
|
cheaptrick
MODERATOR Joined: September/27/2004 Location: South Carolina Status: Offline Points: 20844 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
The Super Sniper has .25 mil dots spaced 1 mil apart. And yes, the 1/4" MOA are not in mills. You have to do the math. The SS has a Army Mil Dot installed, I believe.
Does this diminish the outstanding value of the mighty SS??? Negative!!
In the tactical game, there's no better scope value than the Super Sniper IMO. Nobody gets "beat" buying a Super Sniper....
I think Zak's talking about higher priced scopes here with "custom" reticles being optimum.
For example, the US Optics SN-3 can be ordered with a MOA reticle with MOA clicks. The S&B PMII has a reticle in cm, and the clicks are as well. Allowing the shooter to range a target and adjust W/E without "doing the math".
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here gang..... Edited by cheaptrick |
|
If at first you don't secede...try..try again.
|
|
dusky-jeff
Optics GrassHopper Joined: January/17/2007 Status: Offline Points: 17 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
That makes sense. Thanks for the come back. I think i'll stick with the ss and i'm sure it will be better then i am! Again, very good article.
|
|
cheaptrick
MODERATOR Joined: September/27/2004 Location: South Carolina Status: Offline Points: 20844 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Let us know when it get it mounted up.
Here's some links for you.
Regards, cheaptrick |
|
If at first you don't secede...try..try again.
|
|
Zak Smith
Optics GrassHopper Joined: October/28/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 12 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
I don't think there's any valid argument that it's better to mix angular unit systems on a single scope, but you CAN get matching systems on factory scopes, and scopes less than the USO/S&B range. Since there are not a lot of scopes that offer mil-based clicks, this generally means going with a MOA-based reticle and regular MOA clicks. A common combination is the Nightforce (0.25MOA clicks) with the NPR2 or now NPR1 reticle. But yeah, these are way more expensive than the SS. There is a market opportunity for a "budget" scope which has matching systems.. |
|
cheaptrick
MODERATOR Joined: September/27/2004 Location: South Carolina Status: Offline Points: 20844 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Thanks for stopping by Zak!
I didn't mean to misrepresent your great article. I forgot about the NF scopes, and I guess a Leupold with a Premier Reticle would apply as well?
|
|
If at first you don't secede...try..try again.
|
|
tahqua
MODERATOR Have You Driven A Ford Lately? Joined: March/27/2006 Location: Michigan, USA Status: Offline Points: 9042 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Good post, CT. You target/tactical guys are sooooo bad. I'm glad you aren't hunting me.
|
|
Zak Smith
Optics GrassHopper Joined: October/28/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 12 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
I don't know if Premier has any MOA-based reticles?
|
|
orangebang72
Optics GrassHopper Joined: March/23/2007 Status: Offline Points: 6 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Thanks for the link cheaptrick there is a lot of information for us new guys.
|
|
Rancid Coolaid
MODERATOR Joined: January/19/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9318 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
I mostly agree with the article, but not entirely.
Hell, Unertls wouldn't qualify with his criteria; and I can't say I'd take much from anyone over an original USMC-issue Unertl.
For purposes of this thread and discussion, it is a great article with good info.
And, as stated before, the SS is the best deal going.
The guy didn't like Nightforce, I really like Nightforce; we'll agree to disagree.
Thanx for the article, CT; good stuff. Edited by Rancid Coolaid |
|
Freedom is something you take.
Respect is something you earn. Equality is something you whine about not being given. |
|
Zak Smith
Optics GrassHopper Joined: October/28/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 12 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
And what did the USMC replace it with? The 3-12x50 PMII. We have better technology now and we understand better what makes a good scope for practical use. This is not to say a $3000 scope is needed to make hits, since a good rifleman will figure out how to make hits with about anything, however, by any objective measure the new scopes have more capabilities and are easier to use. |
|
Rancid Coolaid
MODERATOR Joined: January/19/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9318 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Yea, I know, "newer is always better: change is always improvement."
I liked the Unertls, I like my Nightforce.
one day I will invest in an Accuracy International 300 win mag and will top it with a PMII; but till then, I'll happily shoot my poor man's rig: PSS with Nightforce.
I did like the article, it was worth the read.
Got my new bumperstick from Sgt Grits today |
|
Freedom is something you take.
Respect is something you earn. Equality is something you whine about not being given. |
|
Zak Smith
Optics GrassHopper Joined: October/28/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 12 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Definitely worthwhile.. [ link to LARGER image "> |
|
Post Reply | Page 12> |
Tweet
|
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |