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Thank You.

I was just trying to convey what it feels like living in Southern California.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

...since concealment is not really a consideration here, does it make sense to go with a longer 6" barrel on a medium frame revolver?  Is there a large difference in muzzle blast?

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No, 6" barrels are quite a bit more unweildy.  They are great on a hunting gun where you want to both maximize velocity and sight-radius but, for a general field gun and home defense weapon, the 4" barrel is a better choice.

 

The level of muzzle blast is not really significantly affected.

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Hey ILya, don't feel so bad, it could be worse. You could live in NJ. Here when you want a handgun you have to apply for a handgun purchase permit for each purchase. OK, so you go down to the local PD and meet with the Chief of Police where he has the right to interview you. Depending on what side of the bed he rolled out of that day it can be sh*ttcanned that day. If not, you wait approx. 3 months to get the purchase permit. When you get the call from his Majesty, you rush down to the store to make the purchase and wipe the drool of the counter tops only to find out that yet another roadblock awaits you, the "instant background check". Usually only takes an hour or so, but can take another 3 days. Now, I don't know about you, but, isn't it retarded to have to go through another background check when you just left the Chief of Police's office. Naturally, you could have held up a 7-11 or a WaWa on your way to the gun shop, been caught, arrested, tried and convicted and your arrest record would reflect this all in a matter of 20 minutes. Of course, the background check is not free either. I guess they never figured this process could send the most stable of mental fortitude over the edge.
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Hearing all this makes me feel somewhat embarrassed at my good fortune.

Here in Texas a 22 rifle is issued at birth. 

You have wait until age 9 for  your 1st deer gun.

 When you get pulled over on a traffic stop the cop looks disappointed and runs your plates if you tell him "No sir, I don't have a gun in the car".
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[QUOTE=Mike McDonald]

 When you get pulled over on a traffic stop the cop looks disappointed and runs your plates if you tell him "No sir, I don't have a gun in the car".
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I just saw this thread, this is to funny Mike, Koshkin what you said about the treehiggers overhere is so true.

I have owned two revolvers  The Ruger had the strongest frame IMO and best weight for recoil. S&W is

also very nice but I slightly preffered the Ruger, I have sold them and do not own any revolvers any more.

They were 44 mags.

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Originally posted by Mike McDonald Mike McDonald wrote:

Hearing all this makes me feel somewhat embarrassed at my good fortune.

Here in Texas a 22 rifle is issued at birth. 

You have wait until age 9 for  your 1st deer gun.

 When you get pulled over on a traffic stop the cop looks disappointed and runs your plates if you tell him "No sir, I don't have a gun in the car".


I think we've already had a thread wher I asked where I should move once my wife and I get done with our education.  Texas is on the list.

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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Hey ILya, don't feel so bad, it could be worse. You could live in NJ. Here when you want a handgun you have to apply for a handgun purchase permit for each purchase. OK, so you go down to the local PD and meet with the Chief of Police where he has the right to interview you. Depending on what side of the bed he rolled out of that day it can be sh*ttcanned that day. If not, you wait approx. 3 months to get the purchase permit. When you get the call from his Majesty, you rush down to the store to make the purchase and wipe the drool of the counter tops only to find out that yet another roadblock awaits you, the "instant background check". Usually only takes an hour or so, but can take another 3 days. Now, I don't know about you, but, isn't it retarded to have to go through another background check when you just left the Chief of Police's office. Naturally, you could have held up a 7-11 or a WaWa on your way to the gun shop, been caught, arrested, tried and convicted and your arrest record would reflect this all in a matter of 20 minutes. Of course, the background check is not free either. I guess they never figured this process could send the most stable of mental fortitude over the edge.


Here in California you do have to get a permit to buy a handgun, but it is good for a few years, I think.  Once you buy a gun there is a ten day waiting period while they do a background check, etc.

Basically, after you pay for it, you can only pick it up on the 11th day (any long or short gun).

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Great thread!!

A ton of info on wheel guns!!

 

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Yes, thank you for all the help.

I feel well prepared now to face a salesman or two.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by Mike McDonald Mike McDonald wrote:

joining Greenpeace, and giving every piece of botanical shrub in the neighborhood a heartfelt hug

ROFLMAO  Oh man that was too good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   


Thank You.

I was just trying to convey what it feels like living in Southern California.

ILya

 

Ah so you live in hell too, I live in sacramento, and I have visited other places in the state that I wasn't too freindly with. So I am grateful for the lower liberal consentration where I live. My personal opinion is that liberals/democrates, (whatever you want) know how it works just don't know how to fix it. But hey it's for the good of mankind right? 

 

However I am happy to be about an hour away from the RCBS factory, its a neat place to visit, and its on the way to an open range, where I shot televisions, interestingly enough rifles made more glass fly than handguns or shotgun-(only have one). anyway my goal; sell half acre, half million, half ass house and buy a mansion somewhere else.

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I am in Ventura county, which is not too bad for California, but to my north is the liberal stronghold of Santa Barbara (where I used to live before I moved to Port Hueneme in Ventura) and to my south is the socialist stronghold of Los Angeles (where I used to live before Santa Barbara).  The only good things I can say about Southern California are that we have awesome weather and the highest concentration of very fake, yet tastefully done, boobs per square mile in the known universe. 

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Dear Ilya: 

Lots of good comments so far.  Just a few more:

1.  Let your wife pick a gun SHE likes!  That's more important than you can imagine.  (It took me several tries to learn this!)  You might let her pick some pretty grips, or add laser grips.

2.  Inexperienced shooters really like a laser sight.  It gives them confidence.

3.  If she has trouble with the slide on an automatic, she may also have trouble with a double-action trigger.  My wife tends to shoot the crotch out of a torso target when shooting double action.  (This could give a bad guy a whole new outlook on life!)  Let her try some double-action revolvers at the range.

4.  Full-sized Smith & Wesson revolvers have the best trigger pull after tuning.

5.  You can shoot expert scores all day long with a full-sized Smith.

6  Stainless is easier to clean and requires less maintenance.

7.  The smaller Smiths, like the Model 60, won't have as slick a trigger pull as the full sized versions.  They also only hold 5 shots.  However, they will fit a small hand better.

8.  A 5-inch barrel gives an intruder something to grab.  A 3" Model 60 or 4" full-sized Smith is probably a better choice.

9.  A .357 in an enclosed room or car is going to be LOUD!  It should solve the problem with one shot, though (with the right ammo and shot placement).

10.  Your wife will enjoy shooting more if she uses light .38 specials for practice, and then finishes her range session with a magnum round or two.

11.  You really don't  want to take the side plate off of a Smith revolver.  It isn't necessary, and can mess things up if done wrong.

12.  The Taurus 2" snubbies (with hammers) work just fine.  They are not up to S&W quality levels, however.  (I haven't tried the hammerless models, so can't comment on them.)

13.  A revolver is a fine choice for a home defense gun.  Inexperienced shooters often don't hold semi-autos as firmly as they should.  This can create a jam at the worst possible moment, and leave them with a useless firearm.

 

Hope these comments are helpful!

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Originally posted by Longhunter Longhunter wrote:

7.  The smaller Smiths, like the Model 60, won't have as slick a trigger pull as the full sized versions.

 

I must have a really cherry unit then because my M60's trigger is almost identical to my larger M686+. (Naturally, it is a bit narrower but, it has the same crisp, light let-off.)

 

Originally posted by Longhunter Longhunter wrote:

11.  You really don't  want to take the side plate off of a Smith revolver.  It isn't necessary, and can mess things up if done wrong.

 

I disagree.  The task is pretty simple for someone with even just a modicum of mechanical ability and who will exercise sufficient care to use a correctly sized screwdriver and to learn where the various parts go.  Although admittedly slower, it isn't really much more difficult than field stripping many automatics. Removing the packed grease from these moving parts and properly lubricating with an appropriate dry-lube is just one more thing that enhances reliability and helps smooth out the action. Just like with automotive oil, eventually the grease that is packed from the factory gets pretty gummed up.  I've seen revolvers so packed with dust, grime, powder residue, etc. that it was basically just a disgusting sludge. Granted this doesn't have to be done as often as I do it but, that's just my OCD showing through.

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Reply to Lucznik:

 

I will simply make two objective comments:

 

#7.  The smaller Smiths have coil springs while the larger Smiths have leaf springs.  The resulting double-action pull is different to start with, even before other factors are taken into account.

 

#11.  There are specific methods for taking off S&W sideplates.  While you are apparently familiar with this, other people may not be.   If they try to pry one off, the results may not be pretty.  Smith & Wesson's current "Revolvers - Modern Style" warranty specifically denies responsibility for problems arising from "disassembly beyond the Field Stripping instructions in this manual."  This manual also specifically states:

NEVER DISASSEMBLE YOUR HANDGUN beyond the field stripping procedure outlined in this manual.  Improper disassembly or reassembly of your handgun may be dangerous and can lead to serious injury or death.

I've been shooting expert scores with Smith revolvers since the late 1960s.  They are my favorite handguns.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks for the input, gentlemen. 

While I am not the handiest guy in the world, I am sufficiently mechanically inclined to feel comfortable disassembling nearly anything.

Now, assembling it back together, is a completely different story....

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Koshkin:

 

Wheel guns ..love them.  True, the world over especially in police work have switched to Ratomatics and while I like my H&K love my Glocks I still love the old wheel guns. 

 

I have a few friends that own Taurus revolvers.  One of them did not work right in single action mode, would not hit the primer hard enough to make it go Bang.   A gunsmith changed out the spring for a more stout one and it worked fine.  I have a buddy that has a Ruger GP100 again a nice gun and it works everytime. I wouldnt go with a Taurus and the Ruger is fine very stout gun but not a refined as a Smith & Wesson.

 

S&W offers the best bang for the buck. Personally, I thought the Colt Python was about the best wheel gun on the market. I own both S&W and the Colt and even with action work done on the S&W it is close but still not as nice of action as the out of box Python.  However, Colt does not make them anymore to my knowledge and finding a used one you can buy two or three Smiths for what you would pay for the Python.

 

I would (myself) look for the mid frame size and go with a 4 inch barrel which is big enough to control recoil and easier to weild then a 6" barrel.  Again, go with the Smith they are nicer then the Taurus, and the Ruger plus every gunsmith around can work on them if you want to smooth up the action, plus it is easier to find holsters, sights, or other accessories for the Smith.

 

Also I noticed that you mentioned the new Smith & Wesson .500. A friend of mine bought one, what a huge gun. I didnt find recoil all that bad for what it is capable of out of a handgun especially with the 275 grain bullets...stoke up the 440 grainers and, yeah its a handful. I just wish someone would come out with one in a small lever action carbine chambered in the .500 = very nice.

 

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Originally posted by Acenturian Acenturian wrote:

Koshkin:

 

Wheel guns ..love them.  True, the world over especially in police work have switched to Ratomatics and while I like my H&K love my Glocks I still love the old wheel guns. 

 

I have a few friends that own Taurus revolvers.  One of them did not work right in single action mode, would not hit the primer hard enough to make it go Bang.   A gunsmith changed out the spring for a more stout one and it worked fine.  I have a buddy that has a Ruger GP100 again a nice gun and it works everytime. I wouldnt go with a Taurus and the Ruger is fine very stout gun but not a refined as a Smith & Wesson.

 

S&W offers the best bang for the buck. Personally, I thought the Colt Python was about the best wheel gun on the market. I own both S&W and the Colt and even with action work done on the S&W it is close but still not as nice of action as the out of box Python.  However, Colt does not make them anymore to my knowledge and finding a used one you can buy two or three Smiths for what you would pay for the Python.

 

I would (myself) look for the mid frame size and go with a 4 inch barrel which is big enough to control recoil and easier to weild then a 6" barrel.  Again, go with the Smith they are nicer then the Taurus, and the Ruger plus every gunsmith around can work on them if you want to smooth up the action, plus it is easier to find holsters, sights, or other accessories for the Smith.

 

Also I noticed that you mentioned the new Smith & Wesson .500. A friend of mine bought one, what a huge gun. I didnt find recoil all that bad for what it is capable of out of a handgun especially with the 275 grain bullets...stoke up the 440 grainers and, yeah its a handful. I just wish someone would come out with one in a small lever action carbine chambered in the .500 = very nice.

 

Good luck

AC

 

 



I was dumb enough to fire heavy bullet .500 ammo out of a short barrel revolver.  4", I think.  While the bloody thing is quite heavy, it is still FAR more than I am willing to put up with.

As for a lever gun in this caliber, that would be a great idea, and a very interesting gun.  Somewhere in my project list I do plan to put together a 50 Beowulf AR, which probably has somewhat similar (a bit milder though) ballistics.

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