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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

BUT....what's the NRA done for our Brothers in Cali like SVD666, koshkin and Mithran???

 

Were barely holding our own and everybody knows it.

 

 

I guess I have always considered Kalifornia to be a lost cause.  Triggering the earthquake that would cause it to slip into the Pacific Ocean and create beachfront property in Nevada has always seemed a pretty good idea.   (Of course, we would want to first arrange for the relocation of the few respectable types who are unfortunate enough to live there.)    

 

Hopefully, the NRA's efforts (and those of other entities like RMEF, SCI, Ducks Unlimited, MDF, etc.) will serve to help keep the rest of us from ever finding ourselves living in similarly restrictive conditions.

 

You are absolutely right that we are "barely holding our own" which is one reason why I guess I figure a $40 a year membership fee is money well spent to try to keep us from slipping any farther.

What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
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Originally posted by SVD666 SVD666 wrote:

I hear you Koshin good points, it is very hard to follow the law when the law

does not follow the law, you know how it is here in the city Koshkin. SF is

f**ked up I think it is time to move soon to another state.



I agree with you.

Cali is not exactly a free state, but not as bad as Massachusets or Hawaii.  I've been considering moving in a year or two, although it may be tough since I have a lot of family and friends here.

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lucznik:

It's not the $40 that gripes my goat, Brother, it's the fact that we feel we need to get someone to protect us from our own government.

 

And furthermore, I refuse to consider any of these states of this great country a "lost cause"

 

Koshkin stated that he thinks Mass and Hawaii are worse than Cali....That's outrageous!!

NYC is soooo ridiculous, I refuse to think about it. The New Yorkers swear that New Jersey gun laws are stiffer.

How many states are we willing to loose before we say NO MORE?!?!?!

The Constitution, I believe supersedes any state law doesn't it, or am I wrong??

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On issues that Constitution has something to say it supercedes the state laws.  On issues that are not mentioned in the constitution, local laws are supposed to supercede.

This is pretty murky ground where there is a lot of legalese.  In a nutshell, in a state with liberal judges, you need to lobby the politicians.

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Thanks for the good feedback, guys!

Were all on the same team.

 

God bless us all!!

 

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I'm an NRA member and have been since I was 17....I'm currently 36.

 

I'm a member because regardless of their faults, they have the loudest voice & more political power of any pro-gun organization in this country.

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Originally posted by Stud Duck Stud Duck wrote:

I'm an NRA member and have been since I was 17....I'm currently 36.

 

I'm a member because regardless of their faults, they have the loudest voice & more political power of any pro-gun organization in this country.

 

OK, fair enough.

 

What's all that loud voice and political power done for us??

Better yet, what about the poor soul that lives in the state of Massachusetts, California, etc.??

How has the NRA "helped" them? 

 

Should we be happy with the crumbs that fall from the table, or should we be pissed off that WE have allowed the US government to slowly and surely chip away, negotiate, re-define and generally reinterpret the Bill of Rights for us? 

 

In short I'm saying this....

The sole reason that the NRA exists is because you and I don't have the guts to stand up to GOVCO and tell them... "NO, you may NOT put your restrictions or your interpretations on my right to keep and bear arms."  

 

We are spending time, energy, and money "negotiating" on obtaining rights we already have.

 

Please understand me when I say this.....

I don't have an ax to grind with the NRA.

I have an ax to grind with the American gun owner that wants to pay and support someone to do for us what we don't do for ourselves.

(That "American gun owner" I refer to includes me too.)

 

We have lost ground too much ground, Brothers.

We can't expect the NRA or anyone else to do for us what we refuse to do ourselves.

 

And lastly, if you really think the NRA or anyone other than YOU will keep Big Brother government from taking ALL your gun rights, you are deceived and blind. 

And I don't give a rats ass Who's sitting in the White House.

 

We, the American gun owner, seem to be under the delusion that we should be "grateful" to have the rights we have, rather than take back the rights we have. Right?

 

No offense meant to you SD. Appreciate your post.

I get a little emotional on this subject, as you may have gathered....

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Allright, cheaptrick.  These are our rights.  We already have them, presumably.  How do you propose we fight for them?  At the voting booth?  I do not think we are the majority anymore.  Definitely not in California or Massachusets.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Allright, cheaptrick.  These are our rights.  We already have them, presumably.  How do you propose we fight for them?  At the voting booth?  I do not think we are the majority anymore.  Definitely not in California or Massachusets.

ILya

 

I don't propose that I have all the answers, koshkin.

But a form of personal civil protest seems appropriate.

We do in fact, have the LEGAL right to keep and bear arms.

They can debate the definintion of that all day, I don't care. 

 

I can't tell you what rights are important to you. But I support them 100%.

That's for you as an individual to decide.

But...I sure as hell can decide what's best for me.

 

I would just like us, the American gun owners, to change our attitudes towards gun laws.

 

Instead of applauding the NRA and the GOP for the few gun rights we haven't had ripped out of our soles, which is basically what we do, I'd like to see MORE pissed off people like me that are willing to say.....

"Hey, were getting the royal shaft here and  I'm not going to put up with it one more minute!!"

 

Instead of good folks like you that use the term "presumably" when speaking of your gun rights.

 

I'm not smart enough to start a "movement".

Just ask the Warden. She can't even get me to change the battery on the riding lawn mower, let alone lead a revolution.

 

Speaking of revolutions, I truly believe that's what it's going to take. To some degree.

 

Face it, legislation hasn't been all that successful. At least in my opinion.

Still a lot of folks out there like you koshkin, that have to toe the line and have just what, and only what Big Brother says you can have.

 

  

 

 

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I agree with you cheaptrick.  I just do not see a solution.  This is the most capitalist country in the world, and it is still 50% socialist.

Perhaps, we reached a time for a third political party.  This two party system is looking increasingly like a one party system to me.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

This two party system is looking increasingly like a one party system to me.
ILya

 

I could not agree with you more, Sir.......

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So, if I move to North Carolina and run for Senate as a candidate for a "More Guns=Less Crime" party, will you vote for me?

On the other hand, I may not be a good candidate, I strongly suspect that a guy with my accent and background will not get a whole lot of votes.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

So, if I move to North Carolina and run for Senate as a candidate for a "More Guns=Less Crime" party, will you vote for me?

On the other hand, I may not be a good candidate, I strongly suspect that a guy with my accent and background will not get a whole lot of votes.

ILya

 

 

In all seriousness, you would get my vote over any other canidate running out there in the state or federal "govment".

 

Where do you stand on cutting welfare benefits???

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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

So, if I move to North Carolina and run for Senate as a candidate for a "More Guns=Less Crime" party, will you vote for me?

On the other hand, I may not be a good candidate, I strongly suspect that a guy with my accent and background will not get a whole lot of votes.

ILya

 

 

In all seriousness, you would get my vote over any other canidate running out there in the state or federal "govment".

 


Where do you stand on cutting welfare benefits???



What welfare benefits?



To be serious though, while welfare for a limited time is good to help people stay afloat until they get a new job, I see too many people abusing the system.  That bloody bureaucracy needs a major overhaul. 


By and large, I think that anyone who who really wants to be in an elected official in a public office should be permanently barred from ever being elected.  All officials who are in office should have ALL of their material posessions confiscated for the duration of their stay in office and put into index mutual funds.  That way they will make sure that the country is doing well economically or they will lose money.


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I am an NRA Life Member, and so are all three of my children.

 

The NRA has won battles for our firearms freedom that we never even knew were being fought.  

 

The "concealed carry" initiatives that have been so successfully adopted across the U.S. are one of their many victories.

 

I back the NRA because they do many times over in many states more than I could do in just one location,even working full time with an unlimited supply of money.

 

I watched Congress in action while working in Washington, D.C. for fifteen years.  It was not reassuring.

 

Recommended reading:  "The Courage to be Free" by Charlton Heston.  This book pretty much says it all on this subject.

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I'm an NRA member been one since for the last 20 + years.  I personally think anyone who owns a firearm  should join because they do fight for the gun owners rights.  I live in Californina and while the NRA can't change the out come of this state that is SO beyond dominated by liberal bias they do work hard at the national level.

 

I agree with Cheaptrick that more gun owners need to stand up for their rights. I have no problem using the NRA for its collective power to do just that.  Believe me it's a lobby that a great many people in power fear. 

 

My problem with some people is those who tend to be gun owners and then support a political party who has a very strong anti-gun agenda personally I find it hypocritcal.  I am a union member (because I have to be) and I am a police officer and I get all kinds of stuff asking me to vote a certain way or to join this police organization.  If they have ANY anti-gun ties I wont vote for a candidate regardless of their "bread and butter" politics and being pro-union. I won't join any law enforcement oganization that has lend its support to any anit-gun legislation.  To me, their stance against all of our rights far out weigh their views for wages, retirement ect......My opinion fired up gun owners need to rally on the subject and vote accordingly. 

 

Just my 2 cents

 

 

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I did not know you were a police officer, AC.

 

Eloquently stated, as always.

Your a first class act, my friend.

 

 

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  THANKS Cheaptrick.

 

I appreciate the kind words.

 

Happy shooting.

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Hmmm...I've been a member for twenty five years. It is the day after the election. I need some venting.

 

Cheap,

 

You are correct that you should not HAVE to pay somebody to protect a right given to you by God.  The problem is that other people are paying people to take those right away from you.  Last weekend they were paying 450 dollars for people to work the WEEKEND on Get Out The Vote efforts. Let me say it again 450 dollars for the weekend. 

 

"M-F" where do they get that kind of money???  The greens and Union Dues... 

 

I watched two guys where are personal friends get unelected to congress and I know what replaced them.  I made friends with them when when helped them get into congress. 

 

Being a member of the NRA is like having car insurance against uninsured drivers.  I think it will be about ten months until we see a push for gun control.  The dems will want something to get good press.

 

"All that has to happen for evil to trumph over good, is for good men to do nothing" some dead white guy  Evil ain't gona stop, that's why its evil... So if Evil does it's thing, and you do nothing what do you expect to happen?

 

BTW, I got to meet Sandra S. Froman (I spelled her name off her business card) a few weeks ago.  She is a very nice, out going, and charming lady.  She makes friends in an instant.   

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