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supertool73
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With a .308 at 1100 with a full value 25mph wind you would need about 6.5 mils. Your scopes will still be just fine even with the 2 mil difference.
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You may need to remount everything to idenify where the issue is actually located. It could be that the mount is misaligned by only 1 mil and that each scope is only off by one mil. in opposite directions. You have not identified how you have verified exactly where the problem exist. Making the assumption that the first scope mounting is correct could be the problem. If the second scope is for another rifle, Mounting on that rifle may correct the assumed problem. If you are having problems with an IOR Optic, or if it's not meeting your expectations you should contact IOR to see if they will warranty the issue. I am fairly sure that they will want to know the steps you used to verify the location of the problem so they can duplicate the issue.
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Rancid Coolaid
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I'm not sure how I missed it, but I missed it. And to be sure I understand it: you, an IOR optics owner, are seeing a strange thing in your scopes that causes you to wonder if they are functioning properly. Simultaneously, you are chiding me for saying IOR has a well-earned bad reputation for optics and customer service. Is that the correct context? I've owned several IORs including the gen1 Sniper's Hide 3-18 - of which the entire batch failed due to a faulty metal component. All were replaced (I think, mine was) but replacements also had a high failure rate, and getting them took a bit of time. I have owned several IORs, a few had issues, customer service was generally non-existent; and when issues were addressed, it was always solved by shipping a new scope from eastern Europe. I had enough failures and CS issues that I stopped buying IOR scopes. These are my experiences, from my IOR optics. Some people still own them and love them, great; my experiences were far less than positive. In contrast, I have also had a few issues that had to be addressed by Vortex, Swaro, Leica, Zeiss, and Bushnell; all were orders of magnitude better experiences than with IOR. |
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supertool73
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I missed that too. I personally went through 4 or 5 3-18x’s before i got one that performed properly or didnt fail.
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Tik
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Guys it was not a personnel rebuff on either of you. So I apologise if it sounded that way. Where your experiences in the last 2 years and where they on the 40mm tubes. If the older models suffered with problems is it reasonable to judge the rest by that experience. I spent a long time looking up what scope to purchase and found that the scopes were generally held in high regards. I did not find any negative reviews in relation to the Crusader and Recon. Customer service now that may be a different matter.
The problem that I am trying to get to the bottom of may have nothing to do with scopes and more to do with something that doesn't really exist. Alternately it could be a compounded error between rail and gun. I just don't know which it is. |
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Tik
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I have tried mounting and remounting twice with the exact same results. I have also tried mounting them on 2 other rifles and the error drops by 2 mils to the right but still has the 2 mils error between scopes. I am being to suspect that the 1 piece mount is out by 2 mils. But again this does not account for the 2 mils between scopes.
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Tik
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The only other thing that has just popped into my head is that Recon is shorter than the Crusader. By my reasoning on this with it being further back the angle deflection if mounting related would be greater. But would it so great to make a 10cm difference at 50m's.
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supertool73
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No prob. I didn't take it any way personal, just that I had first hand experience with failures is all.
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Rancid Coolaid
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Same, didn't take it personally. I loved the 3-18 when it came out, no one had anything like it, and the MP-8 reticle was my favorite at the time. It wasn't till the nightmares started that I lost the will to own anything IOR.
I have not run anything of their 40mm tubes. I know when the 35s came out, they had some severe issues, not sure if they worked them out or not. If the shift is consistent and reproducible, I wouldn't worry about it. If it is a wind thing, as someone said above, you can dope wind on the reticle. I'd be more worried about a bad wind call at range than I would how to adjust properly. |
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