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Rancid Coolaid
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Isn't the Carry just 0.2" longer? (I have not held/shot the Carry or Compact.)
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The X carry is like the glock 19X.... full size frame, compact slide 17rd capacity vs the compact 15rd capacity. Not sure of the exact dimensions... still researching a bit. I like the added benefits of the x carry but can also make a compact have those items I desire (sights, flat trigger) for cheaper than the difference between the 2 but wouldn't have the ability t add the optic or have the slide cuts Comparison is the X Carry is the 19X and the Compact is the 19
I did like the trigger a whole lot though. |
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SVT_Tactical
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So X-Carry is .2" taller than the compact but same size as the standard Carry model and the X-Carry is .2" longer overall as well. Don't think i'd have issues carrying it over the other so may just find an x carry
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Rancid Coolaid
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If there is one thing that bugs me (there are many, now that I think about it, but...), it is when people ask a question to which they can easily find the answer without my input. I did that, sorry. I just checked TopGunSupply (not a competitor with SWFA, I think. If it is, apologies, redact that) and they have VM2s for HK45 as well as HK 320 Carry, which I shall be purchasing ricky tick! As for frame length, the Carry is slightly longer and holds 2 more rounds than the Compact. As I have large hands, and like having 2 more rounds on tap, I shall be purchasing Carry conversion kit for my existing Xfive - which I like very much. More to follow. Glocks for sale soon, I am guessing!
Edited by Rancid Coolaid - August/28/2018 at 09:04 |
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SVT_Tactical
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Well after thinking about all the options I went ahead and got a x-carry on the way.... distributor was trying to move 3 and my buddy at the LGS got them all 3 for a steal so I'm not paying much more than the carry version plus night sights would have cost me. To arrive tomorrow.
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SVT_Tactical
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And all the X-carry's that were ordered arrived as just X5s...... no carrys....
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Lockjaw
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I am a glock fan, although not a fan of the 23 or smaller versions of 40 cal. While I loved my 23 for a carry gun, I didn't like shooting it alot at the range. It tended to bite my trigger finger on the bottom of the guard.
I traded it for a SW99 in the same caliber, a gun I truly did like, and thought the extra weight would tame the sharp recoil of the 40. NOPE! But it was a great gun. Years ago, I got a demo Gen 3 G17. The only thing I haven't changed on it is a trigger. I got factory nite sites when they had glock days at a local store for 50 bucks installed. I usually take it deer hunting, or ATV riding, although if its dusty, I sometimes take my SW Sigma instead. It's sort of blocky, but I did the trigger mod on it, which helped it immensely. Here is what I truly love about a Glock, besides the fact its sort of like an AR15, you can do about anything with it. As a carry platform, you can go G17, 19 and 26, and the mags from the 17 and 19 will work in the 26. Magpul makes a nice G17 mag too. And then there is a 33 round one from Glock. That means on any given day, you could conceal a G17 or 19, and have a 26 as your bug, and only need mags from the bigger gun. During the Obomination years, I changed alot of my gun stuff, to make sure I had common calibers. That means 9mm, 38/357 and 45. You other guys can call me crazy if you want, but..... I don't think a 9mm kills less than a 40, or 357 sig, or any other wonderzoot caliber. Truth be told if I really wanted to make sure I killed someone, I would shoot a 357 with a 125gr JHP. When it was tracked, that was the supreme most effective one shot stopper out there. Bullet technology has improved since then, so I am sure the gap has closed. Is my glock as beautiful as my Kimber? Heck no. Is it as accurate? Heck no. Does it cycle as smoothly? NOPE. Does the trigger break as nice? Nope. But you know what? I don't like to carry my kimber when I go dinking around in the woods. If I was going to scratch up a gun, I would rather scratch up my glock, or for that matter, my SW Sigma. The Kimber stays in the safe and goes with me to the range every once in a while. I know its shame that's the life it leads, but.... hey...
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SVT_Tactical
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coyote95
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I’m not a hater, g19 gen5 ameriglo on it’s way. ;-)
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urbaneruralite
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I probably should have admitted to carrying a pistol. A Kel-Tec PMR30 is my yard work, hunt club maintenance, coon hunting, etc. gun. It gets bug spray and sweat and fertilizer all over it. Basically, I tote it when I'll wear a flimsy belt or will beat on whatever I take.
The only real complaint is the heel mag release. It'll let the mag free when riding in a vehicle sometimes.
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Scrumbag
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Is that like Mennonite? Raised any barns or shooting ranges lately? I thought Ed was the one from Pennsylvania? Scrummy |
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Was sure I had a point when I started this post...
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SVT_Tactical
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lol...... no Ed was outcast!
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BeltFed
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Don't ever accuse me of being from Pennsylvania. A Smith & Wessonite is form a religion that would shove the muzzle of his S&W 629 in the ear of a badass thug and recite a prophecy like this "Don't move. I seldom miss from this distance".
Edited by BeltFed - August/30/2018 at 13:17 |
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Life's concerns should be about the 120lb pack your trying to get to the top of the mountain, and not the rock in your boot.
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Lockjaw
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Oh and I forgot one other thing. I did not and do not want a gun I have to transition from double to single action.
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Rancid Coolaid
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Okay, it is official, I am out of the Glock market, and here are my initial thoughts on the M17. 1. It comes with 2 mags, kinda chincy, but the 21-rounders from the Xfive work just fine. 2. The trigger is not as crisp or light, but break pretty clean for the operating system. 3. The rear sight is in no way adjustable, it is a piece of the plate that accommodates their red dot. 4. Front sight is not bad, tritium, and has a white outer dot, which is nice as the rears don't have the white. 5. For a company known for NOT doing external safeties, they got this one very right. With a solid grip, it sits right where I want it to, right thumb rest and natural feel to taking it off safe. It is also quite comfortable and not stupid big. 6. Again on the safety, it can remain on while the slide is run, which is very odd and very safe, I like that feature allot. Having learned on 1911s, it is a welcome improvement on an already awesome design. 7. It has the curved trigger, that needs to be changed to the flat, if possible. 8. It fits fine in a holster made for a Xfive. 9. The slide release is recessed and small, both of which I like - since I sometimes ride slide releases and have the resultant gun-in-battery-over-an-empty-chamber situation, which is fine on the 1-way range, but not the 2-way range. 10. I hate the color, but like the gun. If it bugs me too much, I'll rattle-can some variation onto it, that gets me lots of respect on the range and with the paintball crowd - which is why I carry guns in the first place. All in all, it is a Glock-killing design for me: trigger is much improved, no trigger guard bite, and grip angle is right, the gun indexes well. It does have a bit more barrel flip on hot rounds, but a full grip and a good surface to place my left thumb help immensely with that. More to follow, like an actual range report. |
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Scrumbag
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No? Too far north? Is Pennsylvania North of the Mason Dixon? Sounds a reasonable philosophy on aim small, miss small. I miss my S&W-17 :(
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Was sure I had a point when I started this post...
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BeltFed
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RC, I'm jealous. I've wanted a M17 since I heard they came with a manual safety. I checked the Sig site and the M17 comes in black and coyote. Though I'm not known for being picky about colors, I may try to hold out for the black M17. Also, Grey Guns has a flat replacement trigger, and it may even lighten the trigger some.
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Life's concerns should be about the 120lb pack your trying to get to the top of the mountain, and not the rock in your boot.
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Rancid Coolaid
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Yea, black wasn't an option for me, it was "take this or get nothing." With an external safety, I am happy to go a bit lighter on the trigger. This gun will see actual use, so it will be stress tested early.
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BeltFed
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Scrummy, Pennsylvania is north of the Mason Dixon. Back in 1960, there was a big argument between the muzzle loading long rifle communities and clubs as to rather the muzzle loading long rifle should be called a Kentucky long rifle or a Pennsylvania long rifle. Kind of a silly argument since the stocks on a Kentucky rifle is different from a Pennsylvania rifle, and the Kentucky stock is simpler and better fitting than the Pennsylvania stock. But it gave the clubs of the Kentucky and Pennsylvania long riflemen an excuse to have match to determine rather the long rile was going to be called a Kentucky or Pennsylvania long rifle. Kind of a dumb thing for the Pennsylvania boys to do since the Kentucky long riflemen, though modest, had never been beat by any other club or group. Well the match was held, the Kentucky boys won, and the muzzle loading long rifle has since been known generically as the Kentucky Long Rifle no matter what style it is. I happen to know and have known a few of the members of the Kentucky Long Riflemen who shot in that match. They were all exceptional men and characters. |
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SVT_Tactical
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Sig offers a flat bar as well.
https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p320-flat-trigger.html Edited by SVT_Tactical - August/31/2018 at 12:26 |
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