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supertool73
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That one is just a .223 though.
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BeltFed
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Comes in 5.56 or 7.62x51 NATO |
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Life's concerns should be about the 120lb pack your trying to get to the top of the mountain, and not the rock in your boot.
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supertool73
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Those indeed look neat. https://deserttech.com/product_overview.php?product_id=4&load=product_overview
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Sparky
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BeltFed
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Are you using the AR10 B magazines that are basically modified M14 magazines? |
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Life's concerns should be about the 120lb pack your trying to get to the top of the mountain, and not the rock in your boot.
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Kickboxer
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but, I like the tripod on that .458...
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Rancid Coolaid
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Yea, I noticed that too.
I bet on a range in California, ILya is medium pimp'in. I live in the free state of Texas and still have people gawk at gear. In Cali, he is probably roughly equivalent to a Norse god of war. Or something.
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koshkin
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First, to get the requisite mud slinging out of the way: Rancid Coolaid sucks.
Now that we have taken care of that... RC, I do not think we are in that much of a disagreement. You get the same type of handling and speed out of your AR-10 as I get out of the Grendel. That is probably due to better training and availability of equipment that helps tame the gun: suppressor, etc. I do not have that option, so I stick with the peppiest gun/caliber that allows me to stay reasonably quick for follow-up shots. The rest of your argument sorta devolves to "mine is bigger than yours" and that is not terribly educational. Leaving the house and covering open ground with an ability to shoot something at 800 yards with proper terminal effect is undoubtedly less effective with the Grendel than 308. However, the whole 800 yards business does not excite me too much, so that is not a requirement for me even though the Grendel can be stretched out there if needed. Depending on the bullet in questions, 6.5Grendel has about the same energy at 600 yards as 308 has at 800 yards. I can live with that. Until The Fix gets here, the Grendel remains my "if I could only have one" gun, but I re-evaluate that regularly. On two way ranges: I make it a point to stay away from those and routinely recommend that to others. On hunting: Grendel works fine on most things this side of large bears and bison. Marginal on elk, but I distinctly recall Les Baer shooting an elk with the Grendel from 400 yards or so. Not the shot I would take, but it can be done. Generally, for the distances I restrict myself to, Grendel works fine, but 458SOCOM is a better choice. Or I could simply take my 280Rem boltgun and be done with it. I'll address the rest later. ILya
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Rancid Coolaid
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We agree on most things, but cannot agree on everything, how would that be interesting?
All good here, carry on.
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Sparky
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koshkin
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To wrap up:
KB, it is a 458 on a tripod, not a tripod on the 458. The tripod is Varavon Short Baby (that is really the name) with the SSP-1 cradle from Precision Rifle Solutions. It is not as sophisticated as Hog Saddle and the rest of the stuff PRS people use, but, then again, neither am I. It works fine for my purposes and together with the short tripod makes for a very sturdy shooting rest that lives in my car. It is also easy to velcro to my backpack for a field expedient shooting rest. RC, there are plenty of well armed people in CA (all looking for a way out of here), but as far as general California population goes, I rank way above an average Norse God in terms of looking scary. ILya
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Kickboxer
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merely an identification that they were "together". I have the same SSP-1 on the PRS medium tripod. I also have a couple of Porta-Aim Vanguard tripods 7.5-13 inch adjustable. I like them better than bipods.
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RifleDude
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Were I a Kali "subject," that right there would singularly make me move out of the state...tomorrow...with or without a job, housing, or any other plans secured.
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RifleDude
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...And, AR10s suck!
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Ted
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BeltFed
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So says the guy that says, "you always need another gun", or something like that.
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Life's concerns should be about the 120lb pack your trying to get to the top of the mountain, and not the rock in your boot.
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koshkin
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Well, he did not advise you against buying one... I think the point he is going to make is that you ned to acquire several AR-10s and AR-15s to conduct a proper evaluation. ILya
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sucker76
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Of course we all need multiple AR's because one data point is not a trend.
I'm trying to convince my wife right now that I NEED a tommy gun or else life as we know it will end. |
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RifleDude
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I'm an enabler, so I'd never talk anyone out of buying most any projectile launcher of reasonably good quality. I just happen to like AR15s much better than 10s for a variety of reasons. Besides, given today's selection of bullets, there isn't hardly a scenario one could conjure up where a 7.62 bullet stops a beating heart yet a 6.5 bullet launched from a Grendel bounces off the same living being. I'm a bolt action guy to begin with, and ARs are not my favored platform, though I do enjoy playing with them just because variety is the spice of life.
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Ted
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koshkin
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I agree with that.
As far as semi-autos go, AR-15 is my platform of choice. It did not start out that way, but it slowly won me over. ILya
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Rancid Coolaid
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I have a 40 cal SBR upper, it is great fun. A tommy gun would be fun, why not get a 45 cal upper for an AR? |
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