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Whitefire
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Posted: September/11/2015 at 16:44 |
Though the narrative is short there is no doubt, F&S gave high marks to the Mavin B. 2 11 x 45 binocular. I was delighted to see the endorsement for this fine optic.
Page 68 of the September issue. If not for Klamath's review I may have passed over without notice. Wf
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Kickboxer
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He did pique the interest, didn't he… Probably a Mavin optic in my future.
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Klamath
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Dudes....that's Maven, not Mavin
The Maven B2 is one hell of a binocular. I just finished a comparative evaluation of my 9x45 with several Swarovski models, the last one I had is the SV EL 10x50. I have also had some time with the 11x45. I would solidly recommend the 9x45. The 11x is as good as I expected from my experience with the 9x, but the depth of focus suffers a little, which is to be expected from higher magnification. The detail is likely a little better with the 11x, except for the fact that the 9x handles heat mirage a lot better when the two are side by side. But if you think you really need the extra magnification, the 11x is also a hell of a binocular. I'll get some of the comparative stuff up here in a day or two. Short story is Swarovski makes nothing that will kick the B2 off the stage. I'm not saying the B2 is better, or even as good, I'm saying the differences are nearly lab level determinations and most human eye balls don't have the acuity to pick what differences do exist. I got gobsmacked by rolling ball about two weeks after I got the EL 10x50 SV, so Swarovisions are out the window for me. Right now I have every confidence that my two binocular combo of the 9x45 B2 and the 8x30 B3 will handle any handheld binocular need I will ever have anywhere on the planet. I put in my prayers to my Maven contact for a 15x56, so I have hope that will come along too. If Kickboxer is interested in any binocular, I'm nearly speechless . But hey, Maven is a good place to start. Edited by Klamath - September/11/2015 at 21:27 |
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Whitefire
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well excuse my negligence, I'm just glad to see Maven get some publicity... From a not bad publication who markets to the right crowd.
Wf
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is it worth sellin my zen prime HD'S 10x42's for a pair off M 9x45's....
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Don't tell anybody… I'm buying one...
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I do not think I have seen a F&S award that reflected anything other than the amount of advertising a particular brand does with them.
I have not had a chance to test any maven products, but from what I have heard they are very deserving of being chosen. I am merely a little surprised that F&S managed to stumble onto a proper selection by some miracle. ILya
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WJC
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More than once, an editor, or publisher, has wanted me to slant and article in favor of a certain product or advertiser.
During WWII, US binoculars were manufactured by:
—American Optical —Anchor Optical —Bell & Howell —Hayward Lumber —Honeywell —Kelvinator —Kollsman —Nash —Nash/Kelvinator (after the merger) —National —New York Film Corporation —Pioneer Instruments (A division of Bendix Aviation) —SARD (Square D) —Spencer Optical —Universal Camera Corporation —Westinghouse —Wollensak, and —A partridge in a pear tree ….
Most, if not all, of those companies, however, were under subcontract to Bausch & Lomb, or perhaps the Naval Gun Factory.
Thus, digging a little deeper, we might find that the Maven has identical twins in Asia. For example: The Fujinon AR is the Bushnell Navigator, is the old Swift Seahawk, is the Simmons . . . Well, you get the picture. Cheers, Bill |
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JGRaider
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What are Maven's identical twins Bill?
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WJC
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I haven't a clue. And, now away from the bench, sales counter, and my optical contacts, I probably never will.
I just remember how the game is played. An OEM will send out a catalog, listing basic products like AD-7, XP-15, or DK-9, and the importer gets to choose the model and specify the cosmetic modifications he wants.
After that, it’s up to him to come up with all the advertising wonderment that’s going to cause people to buy his product over the competitors. I will be deal heavily with many of the misconceptions created by advertising in my book, which is getting closer all the time. In fact, I stopped editing a 1999 interview with David Bushnell when I saw your query.
Finally, IF the importer has enough money to BUY the molds, and promises to order so many a month—for so many months—the binocular can be proprietary to his firm. Does Maven have that much money, yet? I’m certainly looking forward to the day, but I don’t think it has arrived.
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A good example might be Carton's Adlerblick Fernglasser, Swi
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I just had another complete memo composed for JGRaider when this ... WHATEVER, cut me off again because I THOUGHT I would not have to go to the real word processor.
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I think if you took all the computer geeks in the world, and laid them end to end, it would be a good thing. Especially if they were deep enough!
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Thanks Bill. As far as my question about Maven, I'm not aware of any "clone" either. Otherwise, I have no clue WTH you're talking about.........
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supertool73
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Should never post when under the influence
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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.
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‘Sorry if I confused you; I thought I was being pretty straightforward. I said: “The Fujinon AR is the Bushnell Navigator, is the old Swift Seahawk, is the Simmons . . . Well, you get the picture.”
So, which of these leading and respected brands, is a clone of which other bino? Or, is any one a clone of anything else? They’re basically the same on the inside, just as the “Fernglaser,” the Ultralites, and the Ultimas were the same. Oh, they might have changes in cosmetics, or possibly coatings, but they’re still the same basic bino. Thus, I wouldn’t expect the Maven to LOOK like anything else!
Do, I know for certain that Mavens share their insides with other brands? Nope; ‘never claimed to. But knowing how the system has worked before either of us were born, I have very strong suspicions. Are the Asians going to alter the business practices they have used for decades to benefit one company? I don’t thing so. Do I doubt Maven’s business plan, or think them not a great company? Certainly not.
This is, of course, the main reason I get into trouble so often. Sometimes I will answer a person in a straightforward way—from firsthand experience—and find that because my thoughts differ from that of the inexpert consensus on the Internet, I have to prove what I may have known to be true for years. Then, when I prove it, I’m being “arrogant,” “condescending,” “self-serving,” or worse. It’s a hard row to hoe. But, if there is a chance I can get through to the person who truly wants to know more—it’s worth it.
Yesterday, I queried a representative at the home office of a company that many on BirdForum look to as a binocular MANUFACTURER.
I got my answer, this morning:
“Dear Sir, As with most optics companies our optics are manufactured in China (low end) and Japan (high end). This is fairly consistent with most companies.
Kind regards XXXXXXXX”
Cheers,
Bill
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I don't think it was confusion or a need to get through to us. I think many of us here already know and realize that very few companies actually make anything. Heck even Zeiss and Leupold farm out many of their lines to japan, phillipines, china, chec republic, and wherever else optics factories are present. We also realize that often times these optic factories sell the same basic design to multiple optic companies. But also some of these optic companies work with these factories and have very specific design customizations done. Its all about how much money they want to spend and the level of optical expertise they can provide. Certain factories are more capable than others with their engineering and assembly abilities.
None of this is news to us, Its how the industry works. Often times its the customer service we are buying as much as the final product itself. I don't care if my product says sightron or vortex or swift. I care that it meets my requirements and i care that if i have a problem with my product that it will be replaced or fixed quickly. |
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