OpticsTalk by SWFA, Inc. Homepage SWFA     SampleList.com
Forum Home Forum Home > Firearms, Bows, and Ammunition > Firearms
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - H-S Precision
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Visit the SWFA.com site to check out our current specials.

H-S Precision

 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
Message
3_tens View Drop Down
Optics Jedi Master
Optics Jedi Master
Avatar

Joined: January/08/2007
Location: Oklahoma
Status: Offline
Points: 7853
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 3_tens Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: H-S Precision
    Posted: May/15/2015 at 11:06
Getting ready for WY-Shot PD & Steel shoot in Wyoming next month. I had a Brake installed on the 22-250 by Michael Deloach at Nine Run gun in Georgia. Mount up the SS 3-15 and it will be ready to go.






Folks ain't got a sense of humor no more. They don't laugh they just get sore.

Need to follow the rules. Just hard to determine which set of rules to follow
Now the rules have changed again.
Back to Top
Kickboxer View Drop Down
MODERATOR
MODERATOR
Avatar
Moderator

Joined: February/13/2008
Status: Offline
Points: 23679
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kickboxer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/15/2015 at 11:30
Now THAT'S a "pistole"… Wow.  
Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living
Back to Top
Bigdaddy0381 View Drop Down
MODERATOR
MODERATOR
Avatar
Georgia peach

Joined: February/27/2007
Location: Georgia
Status: Offline
Points: 13682
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigdaddy0381 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/15/2015 at 11:38
purdy.....
P&Z Firearms , Pro gun cleanings and gun repair and wood refinishing.

Ecclesiastes 10:2
Back to Top
RifleDude View Drop Down
MODERATOR
MODERATOR
Avatar
EVIL OPPRESSOR

Joined: October/13/2006
Location: Texas
Status: Offline
Points: 16337
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RifleDude Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/15/2015 at 12:02
Kewl!
Ted


Money can't buy happiness... but it's much more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle.
Back to Top
Glock View Drop Down
Optics Master
Optics Master
Avatar

Joined: November/06/2005
Location: South Africa
Status: Offline
Points: 1430
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Glock Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/15/2015 at 12:53
That Muzzle break looks like it belongs on a 50 lol
Regards Chris
Back to Top
bugsNbows View Drop Down
Optics God
Optics God
Avatar
bowsNbugs

Joined: March/10/2008
Location: North Georgia
Status: Offline
Points: 11200
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bugsNbows Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/15/2015 at 13:29
Very bad azz! Congrats.
If we're not suppose to eat animals...how come they're made of meat?
               Anomymous
Back to Top
Peddler View Drop Down
Optics God
Optics God
Avatar

Joined: July/04/2012
Location: Oswego,NY
Status: Offline
Points: 13526
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Peddler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/16/2015 at 04:37
Nice Lile real nice.

Good luck at the shoot.
When you are dead, you don't know you are dead.It is difficult only for others.

It is the same when you are stupid.
Back to Top
cheaptrick View Drop Down
MODERATOR
MODERATOR
Avatar

Joined: September/27/2004
Location: South Carolina
Status: Offline
Points: 20844
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cheaptrick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/16/2015 at 15:54
Cool looking! Do you reload for her?
If at first you don't secede...try..try again.
Back to Top
jonoMT View Drop Down
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Avatar

Joined: November/13/2008
Location: Montana
Status: Offline
Points: 4853
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jonoMT Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/16/2015 at 20:07
That's nice. I wonder about getting a pistol stock like that for a Tikka.
Reaction time is a factor...
Back to Top
3_tens View Drop Down
Optics Jedi Master
Optics Jedi Master
Avatar

Joined: January/08/2007
Location: Oklahoma
Status: Offline
Points: 7853
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 3_tens Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/17/2015 at 00:40
I built a load ladder today but it has been too windy to shoot for groups today. We are under a Tornado warning, Thunderstorm warning, and Flood warnings now. My phone went off . It is now 49 minutes since starting this post. I could see 3 tornadoes on the ground within 5 miles of here. 2 crossed to my north with the 3rd one less than 1/2 mile to my south. First time I have gone to hide in a closet.
Jono you can't make a pistol out of a rifle action per BATF. If you get a pistol action or an undesignated action then it is a go. There are overall length restrictions also. Check out the Specialty pistols forum.
Folks ain't got a sense of humor no more. They don't laugh they just get sore.

Need to follow the rules. Just hard to determine which set of rules to follow
Now the rules have changed again.
Back to Top
Kickboxer View Drop Down
MODERATOR
MODERATOR
Avatar
Moderator

Joined: February/13/2008
Status: Offline
Points: 23679
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kickboxer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/21/2015 at 19:06
Sooooo… with your experiences, Lile, and the experiences shown regularly by Ernie Bishop… how can there ever be a question of "can you use a rifle with an 18" barrel for long range shooting"???  Or a 16" barrel… Or 14 inch…. Or…


Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living
Back to Top
3_tens View Drop Down
Optics Jedi Master
Optics Jedi Master
Avatar

Joined: January/08/2007
Location: Oklahoma
Status: Offline
Points: 7853
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 3_tens Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/21/2015 at 21:07
You can shoot a rifle with a shorter barrel but a pistol barrel can not exceed 16" A pistol with more than a 16" barrel falls under NFA firearm regulations. If an action or reciever is desiginated a rifle by the manufacturer it must remain a rifle. An action shipped as a pistol or as an undesiginated action it can be a pistol or converted to a rifle. Then can be converted back to a pistol if done is a specific order.

U.S. Department of Justice

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,

Firearms and Explosives

Office of the Director

Washington, DC 20226

26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3): DEFINITIONS (FIREARM )

26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4): DEFINITIONS (FIREARM)

26 U.S.C. 5845(c):DEFINITIONS (RIFLE)

27 CFR 479.11:DEFINITIONS (RIFLE)

27 CFR 479.11: DEFINITIONS (PISTOL)

A firearm, as defined by the National Firearms Act (NFA), 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3), is

made when unassembled parts are placed in close proximity in such a way that they:

(a)  serve no useful purpose other than to make a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less     than 16 inches in length; or

(b) convert a complete weapon into such an NFA firearm. A firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3) and (a)(4), is not made when parts within a kit

that were originally designed to be configured as both a pistol and a rifle are assembled or re-assembled in a configuration not regulated under the NFA (e.g., as a pistol, or a rifle with a barrel or barrels of 16 inches or more in length).

A firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3) and (a)(4), is not made when a pistol is attached to a part or parts designed to convert the pistol into a rifle with a barrel or barrels of 16 inches or more in length , and the parts are later unassembled in a configuration not regulated under the  NFA (e.g., as a pistol).

A firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4), is made when a handgun or other weapon with an overall length of less than 26 inches, or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length, is assembled or produced from a weapon originally assembled or produced only as a rifle.

This should make it clear as mud.



Edited by 3_tens - May/21/2015 at 21:13
Folks ain't got a sense of humor no more. They don't laugh they just get sore.

Need to follow the rules. Just hard to determine which set of rules to follow
Now the rules have changed again.
Back to Top
Kickboxer View Drop Down
MODERATOR
MODERATOR
Avatar
Moderator

Joined: February/13/2008
Status: Offline
Points: 23679
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kickboxer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/22/2015 at 05:10
Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

You can shoot a rifle with a shorter barrel but a pistol barrel can not exceed 16" A pistol with more than a 16" barrel falls under NFA firearm regulations. If an action or reciever is desiginated a rifle by the manufacturer it must remain a rifle. An action shipped as a pistol or as an undesiginated action it can be a pistol or converted to a rifle. Then can be converted back to a pistol if done is a specific order.

U.S. Department of Justice

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,

Firearms and Explosives

Office of the Director

Washington, DC 20226

26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3): DEFINITIONS (FIREARM )

26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4): DEFINITIONS (FIREARM)

26 U.S.C. 5845(c):DEFINITIONS (RIFLE)

27 CFR 479.11:DEFINITIONS (RIFLE)

27 CFR 479.11: DEFINITIONS (PISTOL)

A firearm, as defined by the National Firearms Act (NFA), 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3), is

made when unassembled parts are placed in close proximity in such a way that they:

(a)  serve no useful purpose other than to make a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less     than 16 inches in length; or

(b) convert a complete weapon into such an NFA firearm. A firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3) and (a)(4), is not made when parts within a kit

that were originally designed to be configured as both a pistol and a rifle are assembled or re-assembled in a configuration not regulated under the NFA (e.g., as a pistol, or a rifle with a barrel or barrels of 16 inches or more in length).

A firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3) and (a)(4), is not made when a pistol is attached to a part or parts designed to convert the pistol into a rifle with a barrel or barrels of 16 inches or more in length , and the parts are later unassembled in a configuration not regulated under the  NFA (e.g., as a pistol).

A firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4), is made when a handgun or other weapon with an overall length of less than 26 inches, or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length, is assembled or produced from a weapon originally assembled or produced only as a rifle.

This should make it clear as mud.

All great stuff.  I was referring to the ongoing, seemingly never ending, controversy over whether accuracy could be maintained by going to a shorter (16"-18") rifle barrel.  Tomes have been written on the subject and no where have I really seen anyone just insert one of the pistols into the conversation and say "this works".  The pistols you use are very accurate out to long ranges... as evidenced by the success you, Ernie, and others have shown using them in long range competitions. 

I don't know why the question is asked... 

Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living
Back to Top
8shots View Drop Down
Optics Jedi Knight
Optics Jedi Knight
Avatar
Lord Of The Flies

Joined: March/14/2007
Location: South Africa
Status: Offline
Points: 6253
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 8shots Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/22/2015 at 05:38
I would imagine it is mostly about bullet velocity and complete powder burn, rather then accuracy when talking about barrel length.
Or it should be anyway.
Back to Top
3_tens View Drop Down
Optics Jedi Master
Optics Jedi Master
Avatar

Joined: January/08/2007
Location: Oklahoma
Status: Offline
Points: 7853
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 3_tens Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/22/2015 at 06:56
My theory is that the shorter barrel will have less  harmonic fluctuation. Shorter being stiffer. Less length for leverage and less time in barrel for shorter duration. The drawback will be lower velocity. The lower velocity will be more consistent of the variables resulting in a reduction in the standard deviation. Another additional theory makes me think that the initial powder burn will be more consistent than the end powder burn from and loading and powder burn rate variations. The shorter barrel does not have the time to burn all the powder. The variation in burn intensity occurs later in the burn cycle and outside of the shorter barrel, with less effect on the projectile. I am not a rocket scientist, nor did I stay at a Holiday inn express lately. Just things that make sense to me with no data to confirm this theory. Mostly an ADD brain on a tangent. Loco
Folks ain't got a sense of humor no more. They don't laugh they just get sore.

Need to follow the rules. Just hard to determine which set of rules to follow
Now the rules have changed again.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.01
Copyright ©2001-2018 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.438 seconds.