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I am familiar with shooting the .308 W at 1000 yard matches, I used the 175 grain Sierra. The 175 grain Sierra was designed to remain super sonic at ranges of 1000 yards when fired from all common .308 or 7.62X51 - it does this well enough.

Another application for the .308 W is Palma competition - 800, 900 & 1000. The rules say bullets must weigh 155 grains (unless this has been changed). Rifles commonly used have 27-29 inch long barrels, shoot 155 grain match bullets, and a commonly used load is 47 grains of Varget. Velocities approach 2950 fps (hot); this enables velocities to be over 1100 fps or so at 1000.

A modest 2650 or so with the 175 should barely be able to stay super sonic sonic at 1000 yards.

Needless to say the .308 W is not a hot shot 1000 yard cartridge but it has been used with good results at that range. Wonderful at 600 and great for hunting at up to 400.

Upon falling under super sonic or sub sonic, drag increased and bad stuff happens to such a degree it is unmanageable.

Of all the 6.5 mm cartridges the 6.5 Creedmore is probably the most all around useful and practical. Brass for my 6.5X47 Lapua costs about $1.20 per piece; this round might be the ultimate 300 meter target round and it gets out to 1000 nicely. The .260 Rem is also good but be prepared to load your own for it.



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This is why if I need to shoot at something way out there with a .30 I will go for a .300 Win Mag or at least a .30-06. My favorite loads for the .300 Win are the 208 Amax with H1000 and for the '06 the 178 Amax or 175 Sierra with H4350.

The little .308 is limited by its small capacity.

All things being the same the .308 holds a slight edge in accuracy and less recoil making it a better match cartridge and this was confirmed by replacement of the old '06 by the .308 in the late 60's and early 70's.

For specific uses I have any number of both '06's and .308's.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rancid Coolaid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/18/2016 at 15:13
If you are a hand loader, I would not dismiss 6.5x47 Lapua so quickly.  It take small rifle primers, doesn't stretch much with use, and handles multiple reloads with ease. It also has a LONG neck, which is nice for varying seating depths.

I am very happy with my Tikka thus far (minus the stock, which sucks.  New McMillan should be here on Monday, problem solved!), their barrels are usually quite good for factory barrels, the bottom metal is actually metal, and the mag is quite robust.  My single complaint thus far is the ease with which the magazine detaches, the mag release is big and easy to engage.  And the mags aren't cheap, if you happen to lose one in the woods.
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

There's some sound wisdom from The Hive. I don't shoot to 1000 yards, but love the 20" barrel on my .308. 
There's a few of calibers that can get you out to 1000 yards better, well more efficiently, than the .308 Win.  
.308 Win does a lot of things pretty well, but is a master of none.....save marketing hype. Wink
I'm not a .308 hater either. 


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47.7grs. 2000MR Lapua palma brass 175gr Lapua Scenar bullet, CCI small rifle primers 2.815 COL 2725fps out of a 26 inch barrel. 600, 800, 900 and 1K.

I guess I'm just an ol' fart. Yes, i might get my butt handed to me on match day but I'll let you know Saturday afternoon how they did.  they do damn well out to 700.  I will take them to 1K tomorrow and shoot for score Saturday. Still can believe a brother would do that to his sexy.   
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Originally posted by Steelbenz Steelbenz wrote:



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Oh I was all over CT when he neutered Black Betty. You just don't screw with perfection.

The .308W will get to 1,000 in a 20" barrel, but as we all agree isn't the best choice for it. Unless your trying to knock someone out of their saddle at 1,000yds, I'd look at something else, like 260Rem., 6.5 creedmore, .243, etc.. Now if you do want to put a hurtin on something at 1,000+ then 300Win Mag, or 338Lap. might be what you want.

There are more than a few budget end precision rifles for around $1,000 give or take a couple of hundred, that are made to get you out to 1,000+ in the .308 case based calibers mentioned above. Oddly, the Ruger Precision comes with 26" barrels for all but the .308 which has a 20" barrel.
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My .308 is 19" and i have thumped steel at 1400.
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My 208 Amax load will reach but you might be proofing your barrel! LOL!
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Yeah, I did that once too:

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I have a 6.5X47 Lapua, at first I was concerned about the $120.00 or so for 100 pieces of brass but then upon realizing I could get some 15 plus loadings per piece and the barrel life was about the same as a .308 that concern went away.

I might get another one I like it so much - about 3100 fps with 100 Amax for varmints, but don't lose your brass in the weeds. I usually shoot 123 Amax's and some 130 Berger VLD and the low price 140 Barnes Match Burners are a real good deal.

I have a (2) .308's, a .30-06, a .300 Win, and (5) 6.5 calibers and that would sort of indicate I am a 6.5 fan.

If you don't mind getting beat up a bit the .300 Win works real well at 1000 with 208 grain bullets but the tiny 6.5X47 Lapua using 140's and 130's is lots more comfortable to shoot. Velocities are very close between the two (208's vs 130's).

1000 yard bench rest matches are won by the tiny 6mm Dasher - 105 VLD's @ 2900 +

Yes, the .308 will do 1000 yards, especially with 175's, but other calibers will do it better

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The Ruger Precision Rifle barrel lengths are 20" for .308, 24" for 6.5 Cr and 26" for .243.  It appears many paid large premiums for RPRs on GunBroker.com.  I bought early from my LGS for $995 and one or two others here may have gotten them even cheaper.  Sub half MOA so far for my 6.5 with Hornady 140 grain ammo and I will soon be testing with 143 grain Hornady ELD-X handloads.  Once availability has satisfied demand I think the common street price will be somewhere around the $995 level.
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Originally posted by Sgt. D Sgt. D wrote:

You may be surprised to find that there are folk out there shootin 1K with 14" pistols. Kinda frustrated me when I saw it. Here I am building these top end rifles to shoot 1K+ and these guys are doing it with pistols..............? Oh well! That's great for them, just proves that 1K ain't as challenging as most think.



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I would seriously consider the Creed over the 308 for a build using factory ammo.
A 20" Creed will easily get you to a grand.
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ERNIE! Really? Et tu Brutus Et tu? Everybody dissin' the loveable 308? 😡
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Just having fun!
Oh, the 308 can get there.
I actually have 308's in both a specialty pistol and in a F-TR rifleBig Grin
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Still would recommend the 6.5 Creed for the OP.
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YEP For 1000+ a creed definitely out does a 308....
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Ernie's 308 will shoot. It is colorful too.


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