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Peddler
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Very true! Loved those stick figures.
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osprey
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I wonder if they all have the same effect in real world applications as opposed to simulated tests?
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koshkin
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Statistically: yes. In practice: it is all about shot placement. A hit with a 9mm is far superior to a miss with a bazooka. ILya
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Kickboxer
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Depends on how far the miss is… Shot placement sure… however, max ME (commercial loads) is about 540ft/lb… for 45 ACP about 850. There will definitely be a different "reaction" to a "hit", especially in a non-vital zone.
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tahqua
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850 ft/lb for a .45 ACP?
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osprey
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Good to know, I have held off on the buying of an 9mm on some of the same stated reasons above. I once heard an instuctor at a range say shooting 9mm is like shooting nerf balls at someone, that was several years back though.
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supertool73
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That does seem quite high. Thats more like moderate 44 mag energy. |
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tahqua
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Yes, for the millions who have succumbed to the 9mm, wake up, you're not dead.
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koshkin
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Next time you hear that instructor offer to first shoot him with a nerf ball and then with a 9mm. That should clear things up. ILya
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tahqua
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Is the increase in effectiveness from nerf ball to 9mm to .45 ACP linear?
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Doug
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mike650
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The 9mm was good enough for a certain army in WWII, just saying.
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cheaptrick
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Yep.
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RifleDude
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Did you read the article linked? |
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Ted
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RifleDude
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Here's some actual, real world engagement data that supports the premise:
http://www.hendonpub.com/resources/article_archive/results/details?id=4593 |
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Ted
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osprey
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All four do seem almost indistinguishable, I suppose it comes down to personal preference?
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cheaptrick
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For the "shooter" or the "shootee"??
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RifleDude
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Here's another. Note the one shot stop %, fatal shots %, and # rounds until incapacitation. It shows very little difference between 9mm and .45 effectiveness, despite data being drawn from over 2X more 9mm engagements.
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7866 |
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Ted
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RifleDude
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2 takeaways for me:
1. I don't want to be shot with any handgun chambering. 2. ALL defensive handguns suck when compared to rifles. |
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Ted
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I sense a disturbance in the Force......
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