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JGRaider
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What are your thoughts on the tracking/adjustments on that R2? Glass as compared to Diaviari's, Z6, S&B? I'm very interested, as there will be a couple more additions to the R2 lineup a little later this year that really appeal to me. |
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Marine24
Optics Journeyman Joined: June/07/2010 Location: Monument, CO Status: Offline Points: 687 |
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Make that Meostar R1 4-16X44 |
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RifleDude
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Correct. IOW... inertia. Scopes with greater mass means the scope rings have to arrest greater inertia. |
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Ted
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RifleDude
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I second the notion of a good 1.5-6X42 as a "low light" alternative to the 24mm objective scopes, and I'm sure the Meostar is a good one. I've not used the Meostar in the field, but I do have 1.5-6X42s from Zeiss and S&B, and won't ever part with them. |
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Ted
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koshkin
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I'll publish my impressions when I am done with the testing. So far, I think Meopta will do very well with this design. ILya |
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Marine24
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You would think I would know what I have. It is a Meostart R1 4-12x40 with a number 4 reticle and the other is the plex reticle. Current product is the 4-16x, but they did have a 4-12 (although not sure how long ago). http://www.meoptahistory.com/index.php?id=240&removefromcompare=240 Might explain why the price was such a bargain, but no complaints. |
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Maverick2
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Have you got a sense of how you'll actually use the .375 H&H? I agree with a lot of the posts, that if you are setting it up as the classic "dangerous game" rifle, something along the 1-4 or 1.5-6 variable mag is a good choice. If dangerous game isn't likely on the menu though (and realistically it's not for a lot of us) and the rifle is to be used as more of a general purpose hunting rifle than a specialized purpose, I tend to agree more with your interest in the 3-12 and 4-16 range scopes. My .375 H&H is my "go to" hunting rifle -- chosen more for the environment I hunt in (heavy brush and timber) than the particular game I'm chasing, so in 90% of my hunting it's overkill for the game animal (typically deer, elk, and moose). My .375 currently wears a 3-9, and in all my hunts with this rifle, I've never wished for a magnification lower than 3. Conversely, even though I've never shot anything with this rifle over 75 yds, I HAVE had a number of times when I wished I had a higher magnification for looking at an animal and trying to distinguish antlers from brush, looking at him at the edge of a timber patch across a field, etc... in order to determine if he's a "shooter" buck or bull or not. If I were more of a "meat hunter" I wouldn't be as picky, but I tend to be more of a "trophy hunter" and like the ability to study the animal a bit if the opportunity allows, hence the desire for higher magnifications. Fortunately, the current trend towards 5x + erector assemblies is opening up a lot of scope options these days, allowing a relatively low mag on the bottom and a relatively high mag range on top. I don't know if your application for your H&H is anything close to mine, but if it is and FWIW, here are my preferences and thoughts when it comes to scoping my .375 "brush" gun:
For the above reasons, I'm planning on re-scoping my .375 in the next year or so. I'm playing a bit of a wait and see game on Meopta until the entire R2 line is out, but suspect I'll be moving my Leica 3.5-14x42 over to the .375, as it fits my needs on this rifle very, very well (and then getting something a bit different for my longer range, open country hunting rifle). If I get the opportunity to take my .375 on a dangerous game hunt (Alaskan brown bear is on my bucket list) then I'll re-evaluate the scope at that time.
Good luck shopping -- there's a lot of cool stuff out there in the rifle scope world these days, and more coming down the pike. |
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Marine24
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It will primarily be a take to the range and shoot every once in awhile rifle. Plus would double as an elk rifle. The reason for picking up this rifle is more nostalgic than practical need, but with the lighter bullets, works well for a mule deer or elk hunt. For the latter, I'm using 235gr Barnes TTSX bullets with shots inside of 300 yards, which was why I was leaning more towards the 2.5-10x range of scopes. I don't envision it filling the role as a DGR, but as you pointed out, if it does, the optics will change. |
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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I've had a couple of 375 H&H rifles one a browning the other a single shot encore which is very light weight. I love the caliber to really enjoy it one should reload. As for scopes for a hunting rifle I believe this makes a lot of sense. I believe that fixed power scopes which have less moving parts tend to be strong reliable optics. With a fixed 6x you will never be on too high of a power to hand hold taking a shot at a game animal. The dots below center will work well to estimate hold over for a zero of 200 and anything closer and with a little effort on the range you can determine how your selected ammo corresponds to the dots below center for 300 yds 400 yds etc. This is a very bright scope with a 7mm exit eye pupil which is as good as it gets. I think this would serve you well I can get onto something pretty darn close with a 6x and still make predictable longer range shots using this simple reticle.
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Marine24
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I'll have to rethink the use of a fixed power scope. I've used a 4x on a Remington Speedmaster for general plinking/squirrel hunting plus a SWFA 16x on a trainer at known ranges. My hunting rifles typically has their variables set at their lowest setting but use the higher magnification as well to judge the animal (doe vs buck) or when a longer more deliberate shot presents itself. Not sure how much practical impact using a fixed power scope would have vs a variable. Probably more of a paradigm shift for me since that is what I've "always used" on my hunting rifles. |
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tejas
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I have a new unmounted Zeiss Conquest 1.8-5.5X38 Z plex I bought a few years ago for a 9.3X62. That rifle has a Leupold FX3 6x42 on it that I can't bring myself to change the scope on. I MIGHT think about parting with it if your interested. Send me a PM.
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Marine24
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Thanks. But I have a spare SWFA 6X scope that I'm going to give a run at. Doubt it will stay on there permanently, but it will give me an idea how I like using a fixed power scope.
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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Hope the 6x is the mil dot rather than the mil quad (I have both) because on the 6x the lines are really really fine on the mil quad. On the 16x SS the mil quad is the cats ass, its perfect. I had a Heavy Duplex FX3 6x42 that I upgraded to a variable and I regret giving up the Leupold 6x. I was surprised how accurate I could be at 200 to 300 yds with the heavy duplex and it was great in low light. I just think if your getting out further than 300 you want the hold over marks of the long range duplex but with a 200 yd zero -- shots at 300 can be made pretty predictably.
If you think 6x is too much there is a 4x that I have been wanting for a long time :
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Marine24
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It is the mil-quad, but plan isn't to put the SWFA on the rifle permanently. More to see if I can get my head around using a fixed power scope, Shouldn't be an issue since I will limit shots on game inside of 300 yards.
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Dirtyoldsix
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+100! Thats the scope for a 375. Everybody in SA starts off with the Leupold VX3 1.5-5x20 on their 375's and then they want shoot Oryx and Kudu at 300 yds and find that the 5x is not enough. the 1.5-5x20 usually gets replaced by a a scope with 10x or higher magnification.
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Marine24
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Good to know. Replace Oryx or Kudu with elk or mule deer and that describes the purpose of this rifle.
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Cold Trigger Finger
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Well, like I say I've shot small forked horn Sitka Black tail at 500+ yards with a fixed 3×20 Leupold. It worked fine. BUT AND HERES THE BIG ISSUE!!!
For me when I lived in Southeast. The 338 Win mag and 375 H+H were medium bore rifles for me. Read Deer rifles that would probably keep me from getting mauled if a brown bear tried to take the deer I was packing off my back. . I never used them as primary brown bear rifles. Heck, I've killed over 30 more like 40 deer with various 416 s and 458 s. Eye relief is #1 . Toughness is #2 Light gathering is #3 . 4" of eye relief is what u need. The Warne rings hold a scope on a 550 reciever good. The 375 is pretty.mellow in a 550 . My 416 Rem mag full custom and my 458 Lott factory had a lot more rear back. Especially the Lott. It also threw in about 25° of barrel torque shooting 500 gr loads. The 350 gr bullets at 2700 fps and 400 gr bullets at 2600 fps were good workoutsfor the scope and rings. Guys used to put expensive European Scopes on their guide rifles and all that I know of broke down. We tendto work our brown bear battle rifles harder than a Marine in Falugah does his M4 . |
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Marine24
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Appreciate the recommendations on eye relief and rings. I've used the Warne before and like them for these types of mounts.
Eye relief is what I was looking for. Helps cull the scopes I'm considering.
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tahqua
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Sounds like something Gwyneth Paltrow would say.
Edited by tahqua - June/09/2014 at 19:59 |
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