Chris -TELL ME about SCHMIDT&BENDER

Chris and anyone else

I am interested in S&B scopes. I know they are a smaller company and advertise less than zeiss and swarovski, but they are still around for a reason, even though their prices are sky high which means they must have great optics? How do they compare with zeiss v and swaro scopes. I know accuracy international uses S&B scopes on their rifles as does john lazzeroni.

They have more eye relief than swaro ph scopes 3.7 vs. 3.1 and zeiss has 3.5"

Tell me everything you know about them

Chris-

I have to reply to this.

Technology has passed them by? I would say the adjustment turrets, either the old or new "posicon", are way ahead of everyone else. no other company makes a design that tells you how much space you used up and how much you have left to go.

You state they are bright, durable and make great glass. Apparently alot of people agree with that as the PM II's are getting alot of use around the world. Alot more than zeiss and swarovski tactical scopes get. Not bad for a small company. I think S&B's are gaining popularity, but thats just me. It is true that they dont advertise like leupold and swarovski and zeiss and they dont take gun writers out to dinner either, at least not in the USA,(probably not anyway unlike swarovski, leupold, and zeiss).

The "precision hunter" series is not their most popular series, I have never talked to anyone that has owned one. I would say the PM II's(which are 34mm not 35mm) and the standard variables, are their most popular hunting line.

I noticed in your comparison with S&B @ 16 inches you only put from zero in 1 direction, not the total range which would be 32", yes still less but you werent accurate.

Maybe you should have compared the new zenith 3-12x50

weight: 22 ounces

FOV:33.3/11.4

eye relief: 3.7

adjustment range @ 100 yards: 43"

6 ounces in weight wouldnt scare me off but then again I am not a runt.

adjustment range sure changed didnt it.

why are they not in the same league as the vmv or swaro PH scopes? their weight? they use a triplet objective for starters which is alot of glass but quality design.Triplet objective lenses perform better as a rule than cemented doublets, only because the work necessary to correct all aberrations is divided among the larger number of optical components. Astigmatism is one of several errors in image formation that must be corrected with finite lenses of useful diameter. Color, distortion, coma, and field (Petzval) curvature are also to be minimized. they use a die cast alumnium instead of aircraft alloy as well, why, i dont know that.

what do they think of S&B in europe, the people that actually use alot of swaro and zeiss's and hunt at night for 10 months a year.check below for a recent article in the european press

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.djz.de/artikelbeitrag/artikelbeitrag_20485.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dschmidt%2Bbender%2Bmeopta%2Blicht%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG

the above is a german article on the meopta 3-12x50

here is a quote;  "With a jagdlichen sight, which is used predominantly with the today's hunt conditions with bad light, the transmission is important. The maximum transmission of the test glass was measured with 87 per cent. The top models of this class lie all with over 90 per cent, in addition, could be lived with some per cent under it still well. Older hunters, particularly eyeglass wearers also hardly are able to notice differences of three or four per cent.

With the transmission must be differentiated however between the transmission at day and at night - and here the Meopta weaknesses shows. The maximum transmission with daylight lies with 87 per cent, at night remains of it however only 80.3 per cent. In addition, point makes of Zeiss, Swarowski or Schmidt&Bender drop at night also somewhat, here still lie around the 90 per cent: A Schmidt& Bender 3-12x50, thus with exactly the same optical data, measured to the comparison, brought it on 91 per cent. A difference of ten per cent is already clearly visible and limits the use with bad light. "

sounds to me like they think S&B is right there with zeiss and swarovski doesnt it?

"I think the fact that they are a small company is why they can't compete any longer.  They just don't have the money to make a modern day state of the art scope. Their glass and old world craftsmanship are excellent but modern VMV and PH scopes are killing them on the rest of the scope."

WOW what a statement. everyone is entitled ot their opinion but  the only difference i can find is weight, adjustment range is no longer a big deal.

no agenda here, nor is s&b on my checks! maybe it should be!

just wondered your opinion and when you gave it, i gave you mine

good fun!

meopta isnt up to par but they are close

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.djz.de/artikelbeitrag/artikelbeitrag_20485.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dschmidt%2Bbender%2Bmeopta%2Blicht%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG

the above is a german article on the meopta 3-12x50

here is a quote;  "With a jagdlichen sight, which is used predominantly with the today's hunt conditions with bad light, the transmission is important. The maximum transmission of the test glass was measured with 87 per cent. The top models of this class lie all with over 90 per cent, in addition, could be lived with some per cent under it still well. Older hunters, particularly eyeglass wearers also hardly are able to notice differences of three or four per cent.

With the transmission must be differentiated however between the transmission at day and at night - and here the Meopta weaknesses shows. The maximum transmission with daylight lies with 87 per cent, at night remains of it however only 80.3 per cent. In addition, point makes of Zeiss, Swarowski or Schmidt&Bender drop at night also somewhat, here still lie around the 90 per cent: A Schmidt& Bender 3-12x50, thus with exactly the same optical data, measured to the comparison, brought it on 91 per cent. A difference of ten per cent is already clearly visible and limits the use with bad light. "