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Lightweight Aluminum 30mm Scopemount
Stock # - 730720
- Remington 600
- Remington Model 7
- Matte
- Low
- 30mm
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Posted: April/08/2013 at 21:03 |
One reason I like the Warne rings is they make this handy little torque wrench. Down the road you can switch out to more expensive rings if you ever feel the need. Call SWFA to check to be sure what you want is in stock and to double check ring height they recommend.
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Posted: April/08/2013 at 21:22 |
Excellent response! Thank you! I think I like the TPS rings and Talley rail, however, do you know what the rail is made of? I was told to NEVER mix steel rings and an aluminum rail, but I can't seem to find what the rail is made of. Since this is my first tactical system and I can't really justify (nor understand) what Badger Ordinance rings will provide that these Talley ones won't. Any chance you could educate me please?
Regarding the scopes you mentioned, I took a look at them, but don't really understand what kind of added performance I would get from the more expensive models like the 3-9 although I can see how the 16x would be a good choice for me. Since my rifle is an SPS tactical and is relatively heavy, I doubt that I will be bringing it hunting (unless it is exclusively at longer ranges). My primary goal for this system to is learn to become a very good shot out to 600 yards (extent to my local range) and maybe use it several times at around 800-900 if I get a chance to visit my friend's ranch. I felt that the 10x would be the best compromise for performance and price while still allowing me to use it at 100 and 200 yards alright. I figured there is a reason the military prefers 10x or less on many of their fixed variable rigs, but that 16x is mighty attractive I must say!
One of the things attracting me to the 10x42 is that I have heard that it is actually a military contract scope which means it is extremely robust and well made with excellent glass for the price. Do you know whether there is a difference in glass between this one and the others on the list? I really hope I am not wrong about this since that is what originally made me really interested in this optic. :)
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Posted: April/11/2013 at 11:52 |
I have an ss 10x42 on a heavy 223 I shoot in precision rifle matches. It is a very solid, durable scope whose clicks are repeatable. The field of view is very wide, too. The glass quality is decent.
If a person is interested in looking at the price range of the HD line, I'd suggest also looking very closely at Weaver's Tactical line. I have one of the 3-15s in that line, and it is an OUTSTANDING scope. The Weaver Super Slams (which the Tacticals are a sub-set of) have _really_ good glass.
For rings, I do like and have had good results from the Talley 1-piece mounts. I also like my Burris Signature rings since the handy polymer inserts allow me to build some angle in if I want to, and they reduce or eliminate scope marring if that's a concern for you.
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Posted: April/11/2013 at 23:14 |
I just looked them up and while they look like fantastic optics, they also cost 1000+ dollars :(. Is there anything better that you could recommend in my budget than the SWFA SS?
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Posted: April/12/2013 at 00:18 |
Im sure the Picatinny style Talley rings are steel. Their lightweight ringmount is alloy but most of the rings and bases Talley makes are steel. If you want to call Talley and ask this is their phone number Phone: (803) 854-5700. From what you are telling me I would say that the 16x42MQ is probably a good choice for you. I find that the Mil Quad reticle is what I prefer in that scope where in the 6x I tend to prefer the mil dot and with a 10x its a toss up either is fine, but at higher powers I believe the Mil Quad is a great benefit and I prefer the 1/10 mil adjustments to 1/4 moa because the reticle and the adjustments are in the same type of increment. The military has used the 10x but the construction quality is the same throughtout the line. You should realize that the military also uses some very high magnification optics not just 10x . 6x has a 7mm exit eye pupil so it is a very bright scope in low light 10x has a 4.2mm exit eye pupil so useable in twilight but not ideal 12x has a 3.5mm exit eye pupil so not as bright as a 10 but brighter than a 16x 16x has a 2.6mm exit eye pupil so not ideal in low light 20x has a 2.1mm exit eye pupil so this willl look rather grey in twilight As the power goes up you win in some areas and loose in others With the more expensive group of scopes the 10x HD the 3-9 etc there are differences the most noticable to you would be that these scopes have exceptionally good glass and are built extremely tough. The 10x HD was also built to current military specs and it is a significant improvement over the entire original group of scopes. The 3-9 is probably the bigest bargain in the entire line because so many people want that magnification. This HD version of the 10x is the latest military version, Ive had one but I moved up to the 5-20x50 HD which I like better and find that the variable is a huge advantage:
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Posted: April/12/2013 at 00:21 |
If you can talk yourself into buy once cry once this is the way to go:
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SWFA SS HD
5-20x50 Tactical 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - SSHD520X50MQ
- Patented First Focal Plane Mil-Quad Reticle
- 30mm
- HD Model
- Locking Ocular Adjustment
- 0.1 Mrad Elevation & Windage
- 10 Mils Per Revolution
- 30 Mils Of Total Travel
- Side Focus
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Posted: April/12/2013 at 10:02 |
Commandernavi, I only offered an alternative IF you changed your mind and wanted to move up in price. I use an SS non-HD 10x for precision rifle matches at basically the same ranges you're talking about. If your target shooting will be 'tactical' in nature, basically meaning you'll be dialing a lot of elevation adjustment shot-to-shot, then it's a good scope for the task, IME. If you're talking about paper, and not having to make lots of adjustments, then you may wish to 'trade away' some of the SS's features in favor of better glass, in order to stay within your budget.
The steel-on-aluminum input you've been given is interesting. I admit to preferring steel bases and even rings, but I can't specify a really good reason. One wonders: What makes it worse to put aluminum rings on a steel base than to put an aluminum scope tube in steel rings?
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Posted: April/12/2013 at 18:35 |
I think the steel holds up better long term but I have been really happy with Talley lightweight ringmounts on hunting rifles. Considering the price Im pretty pleased with the Warne rings also. When it comes to a rifle that peoples lives depend on I tend to go high end with Badger Ordnance or La Rue quick detachable rings, but I would be comfortable with Aadland, Bobro, the Talley Tactical Rings, or Seekins Precision or the Leupold Mk 4 rings. The TPS seems a good value for what you get but they are not as heavy duty as Badger Ordnance.
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Posted: April/20/2013 at 02:02 |
Okay. After a long time thinking about it, I think that the 10x would still be the best compromise for my first rifle. I may be wrong and be kicking myself later for not listening to your advice about the 16x, but the 10x seems better for tactical applications under unknown circumstances (e.g. hunting, multiple targets, etc). I really don't want to limit myself to just paper in the future, and hope to possibly try hunting a little with it. Also, it is recommended by Rex on Youtube who does the sniper 101 videos (I posted a link below, but since I am still very confused about whether I can or can't post links of this nature, please don't ban me, I'm sorry!!) Any thoughts on what he says?
Regarding rings and base, I think I will pick up the TPS rings and Talley base that urimaginaryfrnd recommended. I REALLY hope there is enough clearance at the front. I don't want to have to cut off the front of my base to have the scope fit on the low rings. :/
Any place I can buy the 10x SS used for a better price or any coupons/sales you can think of?
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Posted: April/20/2013 at 15:16 |
Here is one off the SWFA sample list.
http://www.samplelist.com/SWFA-SS-10x42-Rifle-Scope-DEMO-B-P62547.aspx
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