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Obi Wan Kenobi
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Can someone enlighten me. I don't own a 25.06 but I've heard great things about the calibur. I've heard of the 25.06 taking everything from havelinas up to mule deer.
I've never heard of anyone hunting bears, black or brown with a 25.06. How likely is that? The reason I'm asking is because this is going somewhere. I want to see if someone is lying about a particular incident. I just want to see the responses from you guys first.
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rustic
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I could see it being used for black bear just fine. For grizzly maybe not.
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Certainly a bear can be killed with a .25-06... they have been killed with .22LR... and don't forget, at one time humans did not have guns, only stone knives, rocks, spears with and without stone heads...
as with most things, shot placement is critical. I would not go hunting bear (under normal circumstances) with a .25-06, but would not hesitate to shoot one with it at need...
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mike650
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It wouldn't be my first choice (or second or third or...) to use for bear in NA.
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rustic
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True, shot placement is key there is no replacement for it. As for type of bear most black bears shot in the lower 48 are less than 150 pounds.
Going north and west is a bit different. More "gun" seems to be the most common response for the "tourist" hunters as said by Alaskan guides. I would guess the "lowly" 30.06 has killed more dangerous game than most every thing else combined and still the most used by residents. The 25.06 being a necked down 30.06 most likely not a whole lot of them in Alaska, British Columbia, etc. Would I use one for a black bear in say, the big horns in Wyoming where a very large black bear is 150 pounds... sure. It is more of flat shooting cartridge better suited for open plains deer and such but, as a do all western lower 48 cartridge it is a decent choice. A safe bet that there are plenty of them out there for almost all north American game. |
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A .25-06 accurately shooting a 115gr Partition at 3200fps is a penatrating combo. Under the right conditions I'd not be afraid to use it on any bear.
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rustic
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I know, it puts me to sleep too, someone telling some else what to do, shoot, and to buy yadda yadda. ;) |
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But I like spending other peoples money.
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mike650
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Ha-ha
I don't doubt the 25.06 capabities and that it could kill a bear. Hunting I don't always get those right conditions and don't want to risk being slightly off on my shot hunting something that could kill or eat a part of me if i wound it. That's the reason why I say it wouldn't be one of my top choices, neither would a .270, etc. |
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rustic
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I agree, I would buy neither. I will stick to my .308 and call it good. I am also perfectly comfortable letting people make their own choices taking their own risks and believing what they want. Far be it for me to tell someone I do not even know what to buy, shoot, and use. Like here in SD we have seat belt laws and they are pushing for helmet laws... we were just fine for many years without such things. |
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Another thing, in the past most sportsmen had one big game rifle and today the vast majority of sportsmen can afford only one big game rifle most I know are in this boat. I loan my rifles out all the time to those who can't afford 40 rifles - something for every shooting application and 1-2 and 3 thousand dollar euro scopes on top of them.
All the sudden past practices are obsolete?? Edited by rustic - April/02/2013 at 10:44 |
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Glock
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Would also depend on what ammo you would shoot in said 25.06 as well. I wouldn't want to risk a shot on a bear unless I was using a premium bullet. If you are in a situation where you don't have anything else and the bear is trying to eat you, I would use it. But there are so many better calibres out there for dangerous animals, why not use one of them.
150 pounds is around 75 kilograms I always thought they where much bigger than that, that's around the weight of a Impala male. What will a grizzly weigh? |
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Bitterroot Bulls
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Glock,
Black bears vary in weight, of course. Adult boars in MT seem to run from around 200 to 300 pounds. Some go larger. From what I gather about the far Northeast US, 400+ pounders aren't entirely uncommon. Adult grizzly boars in MT go from 500 to 800 pounds. They are big. |
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Glock
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Thanks Bitterroot Still even a 300 pound killing machine, I would definately want more gun then a 25.06. You could make an easy first shot kill, or spend the rest of the hunt washing out your underware if you make a bad one. Just looked at some photos of Grizzlies, man thats scary. 400kg is around the weight of a massive Kudu Bull, and they dont have massive teeth or claws. Do you guys eat said bear or is it purely for the trophy? Edited by Glock - April/02/2013 at 12:10 |
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rustic
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The more northwest you go in north america generally the bears are larger and especially on coastal areas - both black and brown. Obviously there no bears in SD but, a couple hours away from here in the big horns of WY there are bears - just black bears though.
They are much smaller than the ones in bitterroot's part of the country its not uncommon for the mule deer to be double the weight of the bears in north central WY. Most African plains game is classified "thicker skinned" than what we have over here. Most black bears I have seen in the big horns are around the size of German Shepard - around 70-90 pounds give or take. |
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Glock
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What state is SD, and do you guys eat said bear or is it purely for the trophy?
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rustic
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South Dakota - zero dangerous game nor trophy's of anything in this state. I know of some people who eat bear and mountain lion. |
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Bitterroot Bulls
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Black bear is delicious, but it can carry Trichinosis, so it must be cooked or cured thoroughly. Black bears are not vicious killing machines, and neither are grizzly bears for that matter, but griz can be quite dangerous. Both are omnivorous, with the bulk of their diet being vegetation.
The majority of bear attacks are bears surprised or sows with cubs. Bears of any type hunting humans is exceedingly rare, but it has happened, and even recently. A 90 pound black bear anywhere is not an adult. According to Wyoming Fish and Game's Black Bear Management plan, boars average 248 pounds and sows average 160 pounds. I would be quite comfortable hunting black bear with a 25-06 and an Accubond or Barnes TSX. However, on my Idaho bear hunt next month, I will be taking my Savage 7RM, as I have taken a liking to it. |
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Glock
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Bear would be on my list of meats I wouldn't want to eat unless I was about to die, along with Elephant, Rhino and all the Cats. I guess if you are hungry enough you will eat anything though, now if you really want some nice meat try Hippo. I find it unusual that the States seem to have so much power concerning Laws and such and not the Goverment, a State makes a law and the rest of the people just have to obey it if they cross state lines. Must make for a lot of Homework when you decide to go out of state on a hunting trip. Here in SA its the Goverment that makes the rules, so it doesn't matter where you go its the same. The provinces all have their own Fauna and Flora branches, so if you go hunting in the Cape and you need a permit for something. You would have to get it there, but that is not a big deal the land owner can get it for you. |
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