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[QUOTE=jjrgr21]just to throw it out there, SVT you were right. the VXR patrol i got, the glass was nowhere near the SS, and the reticle is half assed. it wasn't close to the pst 2.5-10.

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Now do you feel the patrol's reticle was not good?  I like the reticle myself.  The glass is not as good but its not far off either.
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I am now leaning towards the SWFA 3x9 with a LaRue LT104 mount.

I just don't know enough about the Bobro mounts to go with that.

The SWFA has a 30mm tube vs the 1inch tube of the AccuPoint 3x9. Plus it has the tactical turrets.

The only benefit I am seeing at the moment to the Trijicon is the illumination and no batteries.
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I promise you the bobro is the better mount.  They have a better attachment system that does not ever need adjusted and it does not mess up the rail like a LaRue does over time from taking it on and off.  I have had several LaRues's (still have a couple) and have two Bobros and the bobro is better in every single way. 

Get the slightly forward model. http://swfa.com/Bobro-Precision-Optic-30mm-Mount-P47627.aspx
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This may be helpful -

 
I would go bobro, larue is known to chew up rails.


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For bench/target work, the SS will be a better fit.  For hunting, I prefer the Accupoint.

Both scopes will function fine in the other roll,  but are not ideal.

Which to get depends on priorities.

Both have very good glass for the price, both of mine (SS3-9 and Accupoint 3-9) track true and have been very durable.

And I agree with SVT, forget the LaRue, they chew up rails and don't return to zero well at all.  I would recommend the Bobro or American Defense Recon.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

For bench/target work, the SS will be a better fit.  For hunting, I prefer the Accupoint.

Both scopes will function fine in the other roll,  but are not ideal.

Which to get depends on priorities.

Both have very good glass for the price, both of mine (SS3-9 and Accupoint 3-9) track true and have been very durable.

And I agree with SVT, forget the LaRue, they chew up rails and don't return to zero well at all.  I would recommend the Bobro or American Defense Recon.

I plan to do BOTH bench/target work AND hunting with this rifle (deer and pig). I will most likely do a little more bench/target work, but this gun and scope will be used for both purposes.

So it boils down to this - should I pay a little more for the Trijicon and get the illuminated reticle? 

It is definitely between the Trijicon Accupoint 3-9 and the SWFA SS 3-9.

I have decided to the with the Slightly Forward Bobro mount that was suggested here.
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For hogs, illumination is all but essential.  I say that, having killed more than a few.

I own both scopes, I like both scopes.  I would buy the SS if range work will be most of the effort.  Spinning turrets on the SS will be much easier than on the Trijicon.

It's a tough choice, both are good scopes, the Trijicon will be a better hunter (pigs, especially) while the SS will be a better range scope.
(If you go for the SS, later you can buy a laser designator to supplement, so you won't need an illuminated reticle.

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Why are you dead set on one of these two scopes when they have so little in common? Have you thought about getting a mil dot type reticle instead of, or in addition to exposed turrets? They are available for most scopes including the Trijicon. You can use either scope you mentioned to perform either task, but neither is gonna be great for both. I own twoTrijicons, they are both for hunting though. My local range is only 300 yds, and they are fine for that too. If you get the 2.5-10x56 Trijicon with mildot, it has a smaller illuminated dot in the center and is more suitable for precision target work. It's also great for low light hunting. I use my 3-9x40 more often for hog hunting though, simple because it's lighter. Low light shooting and long range shots very seldom go hand in hand IMO. If it were me, I'd get two different rigs. A lightweight rifle with the Trijicon for hunting and the SS for your FAL. I realize not everyone has that option though. Both the scopes you've chosen are great, they were built for very different purposes though.
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Originally posted by tejas tejas wrote:

Why are you dead set on one of these two scopes when they have so little in common? Have you thought about getting a mil dot type reticle instead of, or in addition to exposed turrets? They are available for most scopes including the Trijicon. You can use either scope you mentioned to perform either task, but neither is gonna be great for both. I own twoTrijicons, they are both for hunting though. My local range is only 300 yds, and they are fine for that too. If you get the 2.5-10x56 Trijicon with mildot, it has a smaller illuminated dot in the center and is more suitable for precision target work. It's also great for low light hunting. I use my 3-9x40 more often for hog hunting though, simple because it's lighter. Low light shooting and long range shots very seldom go hand in hand IMO. If it were me, I'd get two different rigs. A lightweight rifle with the Trijicon for hunting and the SS for your FAL. I realize not everyone has that option though. Both the scopes you've chosen are great, they were built for very different purposes though.

I'm dead set on them for a few reasons.

1) I know very little about scopes and both of these seem to get excellent reviews

2) I don't have the option to buy another gun right now. I have my FAL and I need a scope for it. I am just trying to choose the best all around scope I can get for under $1000.
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Also, if I choose the Trijicon, I do plan on getting the green Mil-Dot reticle.
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If you decide that illumination is a must, for the money Trijicon is probably impossible to beat. I don't have an S/S but they have a great reputation as well. Have you looked at the Trijicon 5-20? It has the exposed turrets but is going to be bigger and more expensive. I think you'll end up happy either way.
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Hmm, if I were you I would still seriously consider the Leupold VXR patrol for this role.  http://swfa.com/Leupold-3-9x40-VX-R-Patrol-30mm-Riflescope-P49445.aspx  It may be a couple of percent worse, but not enough it is going to cost you shots or anything.  The glass is going to be close to the others.  Lots of people use it for night time hunting and are very happy with it.  Ccoker one of our regulars is a low light hunting fool and he has very good things to say about the Leupold VXR line. 

Plus it has the target turrets so you get both of the things you want all in one scope. 
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Another thought, the FAL has a pretty big drop in the comb.  So I am not sure a Bobro or LaRue is the best choice for mounts either.  If you use one of those it is going to make your scope really high, to high to get a proper cheek weld.  Just from looking at pics I am betting you will be better off with medium or low rings of some sort. 

Look how high this eotech is above the iron sights in this pic.  IMO that is just way to high.


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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Another thought, the FAL has a pretty big drop in the comb.  So I am not sure a Bobro or LaRue is the best choice for mounts either.  If you use one of those it is going to make your scope really high, to high to get a proper cheek weld.  Just from looking at pics I am betting you will be better off with medium or low rings of some sort. 

Look how high this eotech is above the iron sights in this pic.  IMO that is just way to high.



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I have the PARA folding stock with cheekrest. It is not the fixed stock like that one.
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I'm going with the SWFA 3-9.

Thanks for the input guys.

I plan to buy a lighter weight bolt action rifle in the future that I will put the Trijicon on. Until then I will use the FAL for hunting as well... there is only so much money to spend at once.
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Hmm, if I were you I would still seriously consider the Leupold VXR patrol for this role.  http://swfa.com/Leupold-3-9x40-VX-R-Patrol-30mm-Riflescope-P49445.aspx  It may be a couple of percent worse, but not enough it is going to cost you shots or anything.  The glass is going to be close to the others.  Lots of people use it for night time hunting and are very happy with it.  Ccoker one of our regulars is a low light hunting fool and he has very good things to say about the Leupold VXR line. 

Plus it has the target turrets so you get both of the things you want all in one scope. 
For what he wants its the best option ST.  But what can ya do.
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Alright, I will consider the Luepold!

I will do more research on it tonight.
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It will do all you want in a scope with only a minor MINOR step down in glass.
I seriously just bought another one last week to do exactly what you want to do with yours.
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Hmm, if I were you I would still seriously consider the Leupold VXR patrol for this role.  http://swfa.com/Leupold-3-9x40-VX-R-Patrol-30mm-Riflescope-P49445.aspx  It may be a couple of percent worse, but not enough it is going to cost you shots or anything.  The glass is going to be close to the others.  Lots of people use it for night time hunting and are very happy with it.  Ccoker one of our regulars is a low light hunting fool and he has very good things to say about the Leupold VXR line. 

Plus it has the target turrets so you get both of the things you want all in one scope. 


The VXR patrol scopes are nice scopes. Here is a review on the 3-9 by SVT.

http://www.opticstalk.com/leupold-vxr-patrol_topic30728.html

Another short review.

http://tacticalgunreview.com/blog/2012/01/leupold-patrol-vxr-3-9x40-scope-review/
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