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    Posted: January/14/2013 at 22:01
so my latest build is a 308 AR with an 18" JP barrel, blah blah blah.

i've shot a lot of the big name, crazy high dollar scopes, but i don't have the $$ for that.

18" is a little on the short side for 1k+, but it will do it. so that's my range goal.

i have the SS 5-20, 3-9, PST 4-16, couple MK4's (that are getting sold), and recently bought a sightron si on closout, and was impressed.

so my limit will be @ or around $2k, so that puts up the Razor, SS, and the Steiner is close.

but i would like to consider something along the PST and SIII, but i beat the sh*t out of my stuff, and don't know if they will hold up. i've been easy with the PST up to this point, so i don't know about how rugged it is.

so since many of you know A LOT more than i do about scopes, hear it is.

and i've read all of koshkin's reviews, but i haven't made up my mind yet

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What is the purpose of the rifle,hunting,target or competitive distance? Illuminated or non illum? FFP or SFP? Distances you plan on shooting?
 
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I signed up for these forums simply to ask this exact same question. Really looking forward to hearing the responses.
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range-1k
hunting and paper punching

some prarie dogs and ground hogs too.

illum- i don't care

prefer sfp, ffp is too thick at long range for me

want to stick to 30mm, i want the nightforce atacr, but it's 34mm
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I have a number of NF scopes and I am happy with them. But for my next scope I am really looking at a Kahles. And most likely this one.

http://swfa.com/Kahles-3-12x50-Competition-K-312-II-34mm-Riflescope-P60702.aspx

Two reviews of Kahles.

http://www.opticstalk.com/kahles-k312-review_topic35232.html

http://www.opticstalk.com/kahles-k624i-vs-everything-else_topic34865.html


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jonoMT Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/15/2013 at 00:11
Maybe consider two scopes...SS 16 or 20X for your long distance yah-yahs and an SS 3-9 for hunting.
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Originally posted by jjrgr21 jjrgr21 wrote:

range-1k
hunting and paper punching

some prarie dogs and ground hogs too.

illum- i don't care

prefer sfp, ffp is too thick at long range for me

want to stick to 30mm, i want the nightforce atacr, but it's 34mm


This is maybe a little much magnification but have you looked at the Sightron SIII it is a different beast better in everyway to the SI, SII, SII Big Sky.

I will assume for Prairie Dogs and Ground Hogs you will be shooting this past 100 yards.

I think the 6x bottom would be limited FOV at 100 but just near perfect at any distance past 100 I will also assume that you want above 16x at the top end which is why I suggest the Sightron SIII 6-24x

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Sightron 3.5-10x44 SIII 30mm Riflescope Mil-Dot Sightron 3.5-10x44 SIII 30mm Riflescope
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Sightron 3.5-10x44 SIII 30mm Riflescope Sightron 3.5-10x44 SIII 30mm Riflescope
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Sightron 3.5-10x44 SIII 30mm Riflescope Sightron 3.5-10x44 SIII 30mm Riflescope
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  • 1/4 MOA Tactical Knobs
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Sightron 6-24x50 SIII 30mm Riflescope Sightron 6-24x50 SIII 30mm Riflescope
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If you can spend more than $2k do it...

If not this is pretty hard to beat for under $1100 and it performs up to the $2k range.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jjrgr21 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/15/2013 at 08:34
i prefer mil/mil, but don't care for standard mildot, otherwise i think the sightron would be great. and i don't care for MOA scopes.

i don't want 2 different scopes, and the 3-9 ss is not on my list.

ground hogs and prairie dogs are out to about 700.

i know i'm being picky, sorry
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the khales i'm sure is a bad ass scope, but $3k is a no go. and it's 34mm
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if sightron had the MOA-2 reticle in MIL, i'd buy that one.
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Welcome to the OT red beard!
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from all of my research, if you want: SFP, 30mm tube, mil/mil, with a $2k budget, you get a NightForce NXS
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Originally posted by RedBeard RedBeard wrote:

from all of my research, if you want: SFP, 30mm tube, mil/mil, with a $2k budget, you get a NightForce NXS
Particularly if you're hard on scopes.
 
Re: my earlier suggestion to consider two scopes. You have two major conflicting use requirements (long range shooting and hunting from close-in to whatever range you're comfortable with. Then adding in requirements like SFP and a restricted budget makes it even harder. If you're going to stick under $1500 and want SFP, then consider scopes like the Vortex, Sightron or IOR and plan on being kinder to your equipment. In the $1700-$2000 range you can get a NF 3.5-15 NXS (I wouldn't want to hunt with the 5.5-22.
 
So who cares if the SS 3-9 wasn't on your list? Maybe you should be grateful people are willing to make constructive, practical suggestions to solve your caviar tastes on a fish filet budget.
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What about the IOR 4-14x.  It is Mil/Mil but is SFP.  IOR has excellent glass as well. 

http://swfa.com/IOR-4-14x50-Tactical-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P51896.aspx
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the IOR might me a go, the glass is supposed to be up with the SShd

i should clarify, i don't beat my stuff up, i'm just a clutz

thanks for your input JONO. 2k for fish, nice.
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I have had many iors. Still have one. I would say them and the ss hd glass is very close. U will not be unhappy with the optics of an ior. Good stuff
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i'm gonna try the IOR
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My AR10 has a 20" and is in 260Rem, but mine wears a Hensoldt 3-12 and is a perfect fit.

Why no 34mm?

Enjoy the IOR.

And lube the hell out of the AR10 bolt, LOTS! When you think it is well lubed, add just a little more.
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