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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Most out of the box factory rifles benefit from a little tweaking.  They are mass-produced products, not precision custom rifles.  Precision, extensive hand work, and tight fitting costs money, and if dimensional and finish tolerances were held super tight on everything, they'd cost way more than their competitors products, and Joe Hunter wouldn't buy them.

The reason there are so many aftermarket replacement parts for the 700 is because its design is easy to customize and rifle loonies by nature like to tweak stuff for better performance.  For example, changing out a 700 trigger assy is as easy as driving out 2 pins.  There's nothing inherently wrong with a Rem 700, it's just popular, reasonably priced, and relatively easy to customize compared to other rifles.
Very good points Ted. I'll add that the Remington 700 probably has the most aftermarket parts available because, to my knowledge, it's the most popular selling bolt rifle ever made.
 
Ted makes very good points about factory rifles being mass produced, therefore, all of them benefit from simple trigger adjustments, bedding or other minor tuning techniques. The 700 is also the most copied custom action out there today, with virtually every maker to the point where even their actions have drop-in replacement parts compatable with every bolt on part available to the 700 market.
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Oh, as far as recoil goes....

O hell, I am not going to go there.  Life is limited, while lunacy is not.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RifleDude Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/29/2012 at 13:20
Correct, Roy.  The aftermarket is directly influenced by sales volume of the item being customized.

Items that sell well get all the aftermarket love.
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Stock design like a Monte Carlo style will lower "felt" "perceived" over some of the other designs. A mark v which has a true Monte Carlo stock design in a 300 wby is easier on the shoulder than a 7mm 700 at least IMHO. ;)
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Originally posted by rustic rustic wrote:

Stock design like a Monte Carlo style will lower "felt" "perceived" over some of the other designs. A mark v which has a true Monte Carlo stock design in a 300 wby is easier on the shoulder than a 7mm 700 at least IMHO. ;)
 
I didn't know that Remington made a 5 lb 700 in 7mm Mag.
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The exceptions to sakomato's experience I would say are the 700 SS and the older-style 20" bbl. LTRs. The LTR that I had came with an H-S stock and the old-style 40X grooved trigger. It really was fine out of the box, although I later added a DBM and a cheekpiece.
 
I decided to go the full custom route but a guy might consider a Sako or Savage.
Reaction time is a factor...
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Originally posted by rustic rustic wrote:

Stock design like a Monte Carlo style will lower "felt" "perceived" over some of the other designs. A mark v which has a true Monte Carlo stock design in a 300 wby is easier on the shoulder than a 7mm 700 at least IMHO. ;)





Again, it all depends on your anatomy... how long your neck is, whether you have square or sloping shoulders, shoulder width, etc.  It also depends on recoil pad area, thickness, material it's made from, amount of compliance, and on and on...  I find a more straight stock that directs recoil straight back against my shoulder is more comfortable for heavy recoil than Monte Carlo types...for me.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Roy Finn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/29/2012 at 16:11
Anyone making that statement Ted, hasn't shot both. Heck, the recoil from the Roy feels quite a bit more than my 300 Win Mag.
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Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Originally posted by rustic rustic wrote:

I have no beef with them other than they have higher recoil than say, a 110, savage ruger m77 tikka t-3 lite and so on. Mostly due to the stock design than anything but, like others said lots of customizing available and many swear by them.
 
So what your saying is that if you have a 7# remington 700 in X caliber and a 7# savage/ruger 77/tikka t-3 in the same X caliber the remington will recoil more?


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Originally posted by rustic rustic wrote:

Stock design like a Monte Carlo style will lower "felt" "perceived" over some of the other designs. A mark v which has a true Monte Carlo stock design in a 300 wby is easier on the shoulder than a 7mm 700 at least IMHO. ;)


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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

If the rifles being compared are chambered for the same cartridge, are approximately the same weight, are all fired on planet Earth, and all shoot the same load with the same bullet weight and powder charge, recoil force will be the same. 

PERCEIVED recoil is a different thing altogether, and is affected by things such as recoil pad design, stock materials, and stock shape/design.  The latter depends on your individual anatomy, and therefore, no particular stock design is universally more uncomfortable for all shooters of all shapes and sizes to shoot than any other. 

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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:


you forgot the square of gravity at the inverse tangent of the equator accouting for the phase of the moon...


I didn't want to rehash the obvious stuff in the interest of avoiding redundancy.Wink
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My 2 cents: I bought a Rem on the believe that it would be an off-the-shelf shooter and spare me the misery of having to deal with a gunsmith.
Well, the only thing left of the original rifle is the action and the stock. And I am told by experts that the stock is also crap, to much flex.
So the Rem 700 action is the only part that everyone still says is very good.
 
I paid $2000 for the rifle, $100 for a skim bedding, $120 for a trigger and $1000 for a new barrel (Inclusive of gunsmith work- barrel blank is $500)
 
So what could I have bought for $3220 ???
 
Will I buy another Rem? No, not for precision shooting.
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I'm glad my experiences have been different.  I've never had one that wasn't a "shooter"...  Of course, I only have one now (I think), the Etronx.  But, since the Ellis Optics fire, I also only have one Winchester M70...
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Anyone keep their favorite car stock ...probably not ...Why - personalizing is fun and sets you and /or your vehicle apart , plus if properly set up can improve performance .. Same with rifles .. From the factory may work well enough , but if your subscribing to this forum , I feel safe in assuming that modifying  your firearms is ..well ...fun

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Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

My 2 cents: I bought a Rem on the believe that it would be an off-the-shelf shooter and spare me the misery of having to deal with a gunsmith.

And I am told by experts that the stock is also crap, to much flex.



What model Rem and cal did you purchase?

What kind of accuracy were you expecting?

What kind of stock does it have?

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Most of us Big Green fans where as shocked as 8 with what happened to his rifle.  But they did make it up to him.

On the other hand,  I've known some to always performed well.
 






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Nice range...
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Nice range...

No doubt!! 

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