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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Not for slavery, Gents. Never meant that.
I just traced an enormous influx of federal control, that started with the War of Northern Aggression. Making sovereign states obey at the barrel of a gun.....
On this, I have to agree. However I would point out that modern cratel to grave Government control, started with the FDR Administration.
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Originally posted by lumberjack149 lumberjack149 wrote:

Originally posted by Alan Robertson Alan Robertson wrote:

How is it that men considered it an affront to their honor and threat to their personal liberty when government laid down rules to prevent those same men from keeping others in chains? 
... Sorry for the long post and further derailing this thread, but it gets my goat when someone tries to over simplify the Civil War by saying it was all about slavery.
Who said anything about the Civil War being just about slavery? If you addressed your remarks to me, I assure you that I am fully aware of the reasons, economic and cultural, which led to the conflict.

All my life I've heard Confederate apologists say that they would have eventually freed the slaves, if the North had just left them alone a while longer, but that's self- delusional dreaming. They didn't free them, did they? Inevitably, the apologists always move on to talk of rights and dignities and honor and how no one outside their state's border has any say over their actions.

The notion that slave owners were a society of gallant and genteel "Ashley Wilkes" is a lie and a myth. To be sure, some existed.
The parabellum South was filled with low and mean drunkard slave owners who were child abusers, torturers, rapists and murderers.
Even after states such as Alabama made it illegal to import more captives from Africa and the  increase of slave numbers was left to breeding programs- a very lucrative industry in it's own right- the slave holders would resort to murdering their ship- borne captives when discovered, rather than be caught with the evidence. Such things are well documented.
The idea that the slaves were more often than not, well- treated and well off, is ridiculous on it's face. They were well treated as long as they were on their knees, but what happened when they stood on their feet?

Timothy McVeigh was photographed in a t- shirt emblazoned with a likeness of Lincoln and the words sic semper tyrannis. Who would think that the sentiments of Timothy McVeigh would be worthy of emulation, yet there are those who make a hero of him.

To many people, the word freedom means to be able to do any damn thing they want.
Freedom really means that we are free to pay the price for our own thoughts and actions.

There will always be those who adapt the mindset of the baron and the greater thief. They prosper by placing a yoke around their brother's neck and will always work to gather the strength of the government behind them. Always, they will be aided by the greedy sycophant and by the shallow and the weak; those unable to reason through the twisted logic held within the promises of something better. Many times the hapless followers do not even realize that they aid and abet the tyrant.

Those usurpers of the lives of others will always be with us.
The concepts of liberty set firmly in the Constitution and The Bill of Rights were enshrined there to guard against the depravations of such men and against them, I will always stand.

Let tyranny and her allies be known by their words and deeds. When harvest time comes, the wheat will be separated from the chaff.


Edited by Alan Robertson - July/17/2012 at 18:15
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Originally posted by Bitterroot Bulls Bitterroot Bulls wrote:

Back to the OP ...
 
Wasn't this arms treaty = gun control thing pretty thoroughly debunked already?  I don't think they have even written the treaty yet, but I am pretty sure it was going to regulate international trade between governments, not private citizans at all.  I am all for protecting the 2nd Amendment 100%, but it is hard to see that somehow a treaty on international trade would affect domestic gun rights.  Didn't the Reid v. Covert ruling settle that the Constitution is superior to an international treaty?
 
Maybe I am wrong.  I will have to keep an eye on this thing.
I think that there are those who would like you to think that it has been debunked.
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Originally posted by Alan Robertson Alan Robertson wrote:

I think that there are those who would like you to think that it has been debunked.
 
 
Maybe I am just a naive sheep.
 
 
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Originally posted by Bitterroot Bulls Bitterroot Bulls wrote:

Originally posted by Alan Robertson Alan Robertson wrote:

I think that there are those who would like you to think that it has been debunked.
 
 
Maybe I am just a naive sheep.
 
 
Hell, I don't know. Maybe there's nothing to it.
I doubt real seriously if you are the naive sheep type.
Now that I got all my rant out... all I know is that the people who keep telling me there's nothing to worry about are the people that I worry about.


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There is nothing to worry about ...
 
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Well...............That went well.
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Urgent !!!

U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by
consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto.

The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. StateDepartment, overturns the position of former President
George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better.

On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States. The Obama administration
intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with
foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments.

These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed
and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms.

The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened. Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and
foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth?

What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress. We will wake up one morning
and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public.
We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we
will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the
local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment.

This is not a joke nor a false warning. As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever
means necessary, so will gun control.

Please forward this message to others who may be concerned about the direction in which our country is headed.

We are being led like a lamb to the slaughter (Socialism and Dictatorship).
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Hmmm, that really makes a guy want to stock up on reloading components.  
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Hmmm, that really makes a guy want to stock up on reloading components.  


wait a few weeks I got to place my order...LOL.

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