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Difference?? Zeiss Victory FL and Hensoldt? |
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Gappa
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Posted: July/09/2012 at 20:34 |
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The Zeiss Victory FL scopes look almost identical to the Hensoldt tactical models, so is there a difference besides the markings?
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dsr
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I know that many will disagree with me and I could well be wrong. Maybe I misunderstood the the Zeiss rep at the NRA convetion but the the main one is the lighting control for Zeiss is a rheostat and the other is a digital control. Other differences (according to my understanding - and I might be wrong) are turrets and reticles. Have seen stated here that there are different lens coatings and the military version has stronger insides. But according to the Zeiss rep at the NRA convetion only the earlier listing are the differences.
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Gappa
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Really!!?? There must not be any difference.
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Sparky
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All the Hensoldts I have seen have 34mm tubes.
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Gappa
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the victory 72mm also has a 34mm tube
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RifleDude
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When I looked at both at the last SHOT show I attended, they looked to have many similarities. Given the fact they both come from the same parent company and models from both lines share similar specs, I'm betting they share some of the same design elements, technology, and parts. Without hearing directly from Zeiss, seeing a design schematic, or disassembling the scopes, there's no way to know for certain.
One thing is certain; they are both superb scopes! |
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Ted
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Gappa
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Also it seems the 6-24x56 Hensoldt seems to be a 30mm tube so that directly contradicts you Sparky
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Kickboxer
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Hensoldt is constructed to MIL-SPEC, has tougher internals and harder coatings... more scratch resistant. The illumination controls are digital.
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dsr
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Because the Hensoldt is mil-spec it does not mean the scope under the Zeiss label is built to the different spec's. It would seem logical that they share most of the main components.
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Kickboxer
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I invite you to phone HUDISCO and talk to them about it... I already have.
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Real Mil-Spec means things like seals and some lens coatings are impervious to various poison gases, radiation, shock and impact.
After you have been gassed, nuked and thumped by artie your scope will work...you probably won't but the scope will. Art |
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dsr
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There is some room for confusion on both our points. Did your inquire about essential the same scopes marked under different names or just the differences of Hensoldt vs Zeiss? On my side the two times I have talked to some from Zeiss it was about 6x24-72.
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Kickboxer
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Zeiss adjustment range is 57.6 MOA(16.75Mils)
Hensoldt adjustment is 68.76MOA (20Mils)
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dsr
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My I inquire the above's source?
Respectfully dsr Thanks |
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dsr
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ROFLMAO |
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gulf1263
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NATO has certain standards, if the Hensoldt 6x24x72 meets those standards then the internals would be different.
Material that is not Mil-Spec can still be used by various military forces. As an example, binoculars, the US Navy requires among many other things that to meet their standards the binocular model must be able to be submerged to a certain depth, in water with certain chemicals and be shaken at a certain vibration frequency for a given period of time and remain water proof in addition to the standards for resolution, clarity, color rendition, etc. They buy lots of binoculars that don't meet that standard because they found they are good enough for the O's to gaze out at stuff with. Most US military services have found that the O's end up with all the good stuff and the EM's who need the equipment won't get it, so they buy off the shelf, which is cheaper so that everyone can have something. SOF's are different in that they try to provide all the good stuff to everyone. Anyway, just because something isn't mil-spec does not mean the military isn't using it or a slightly beefed up version. French Foreign Legion uses lots of Hensoldt, Swaro, S&B and Zeiss scopes that are not mil-spec per se but meet their requirements. Art |
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Good day.
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HUDISCO Vr, KB
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Good grief I said "All the Hensoldts I have seen have 34mm tubes.". I did not say they all have 34mm tubes. And if you want to get technical there is also a 34mm version of the 6-24x56 Hensoldt. |
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dsr
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Thank you for the prompt reply!
dsr |
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