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flipmo
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Posted: June/24/2012 at 07:42 |
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Ok guys I know there are many post like mine on this forum but I would appriciate any info I can get. I have been looking for a new scope for my Ruger 7mm mag and have narrowed it down to two finalist.
Zeiss Conquest 3-12x56 Leupold VX 3L 4.5-14x56 I like both so much that I am having a hard time making a decision. Thanks Guys |
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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If you limit it to only those two definately the Zeiss. Leupold's 4.5x is really closer to 5x than it is to 4.5. I am willing to give up something on the low to get a lot more on the high end like a 4-16 but in this case I think you are better off with the 3x on the low end.
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Sir Hoppalot
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Indeed, having that low end (low) magnification can be really useful for close encounters, especially for an animal on the move.
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KIMBER8400AT
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If you look at scopes used by military snipers, the objective is less than 50. With this being said, I don't think 56 objective is going to be useful. Therefore it is the most advantageous to have a smaller objective, but larger range of magnification (as stated by Urimaginerfrind and SirHoppalot).
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That is a grandiose statement with little basis.
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Not so sure that's an entirely true statement. The S&B PM2 has a 50mm objective and used by US Marines and others, as does the NF NXS, which has been used by Canadian sniper teams/others. I freely concede that some scopes used by snipers have had, or have less than 50mm objectives, but bigger objectives is ceratinly in vogue these days. Welcome to Optics Talk.
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KIMBER8400AT
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I can bet with anybody that any statements you guys make is not entirely true. Any statement!
In the sniper training series (TV documentary), the scopes were less than 50. I rather have a 40 objective and a larger range than 56 and 3-12 magnification. |
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cheaptrick
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I'm not sure what all that means, Sir. I wasn't calling you a liar, just misinformed, or had a typo.I agreed with you that YES, there are scopes with less than 50mm objectives being implemented today by armed forces, and NO all "sniper scopes" being used these days are NOT less than 50mm. It was you Sir that made the blanket statement, not KB or I. Check fire...relax....
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cheaptrick
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And furthermore......Behold the 56mm, gold standard of "sniper" scopes....
THE COUNTER SNIPER!!!!! |
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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SCOPES -WE DONT NEED NO STINKING SCOPES WE HAVE BELT FED MACHINEGUNS AND CLOSE AIR SUPPORT SCOPES ARE FOR THOSE WHO INTEND TO ACTUALLY HIT THEIR TARGET WITH THE FIRST SHOT >>>>
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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I WOULDNT PUT THAT ON A BB GUN.
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KIMBER8400AT
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Look man,
my point is that you do not need to spend money on a 56 objective, b/c it's not useful. If I were the guy buying the scope with 56 objective, I wouldn't because it is better to spend the money on a larger magnification than larger objective. As far as being relaxed, I am plenty relaxed trick! that is your name right? |
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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Advantage of a 56mm is the exit eye pupil size and increased light transmission in low light. For example you can have a 56mm objective scope set on 12X and still have a 4.6mm exit eye pupil or set it at 10x and have a 5.6mm exit eye pupil (7 being maximum useable brightness) In low light this can be very valuable especially with Zeiss glass.
Disadvantage of a 56mm is the cheekweld needs compensation however there are adjustable cheek pads and several styles of accessory cheek pads which can be used to fine tune cheekweld.
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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Not that there is anything wrong with having more power its just a different choice:
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billyburl2
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The two scopes being used by the Marine Corps Scout Snipers currently are: Except the Schmidt has a GenII reticle and MTC knobs that were installed by Premier before the Mrines got them. Also in service in lesser numbers are the 5-25x56 from Premier. Special Forces and the Army have a lot of different optics, several of which have over 50mm objectives. Quoting the Discovery channel? Really?
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If it is tourist season, why can't we shoot them?
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Alan Robertson
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For me, I like the listed Conquest mag.range and I like Conquest constant eye relief.
On the other hand, Gold rings are kinda snazzy. C'mon guys- he saw it on TV! Couldn't you have at least shown him a Counter Sniper with the ultra- trick razzmatazz reticle? |
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koshkin
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Since the thread originator is planning to put this scope on a Ruger chambered for 7mm, i think we can safely assume his application is hunting of some sort.
From that we can comfortably infer that whatever military snipers choose to use on their guns has approximately zero relevance to this application. For the record, however, military snipers around the world use day riflescopes with objective lenses ranging in size from 40mm to 72mm, with a 50mm being likely the most prevalent size today. Since the OP is looking at 56mm scopes, I presume his application has an emphasis on low light use. Between his two options, I would recommend the Conquest. I think that 3x on the low end will make a difference. I would also suggest he consider Meopta Meostar 3-12x56 will illuminated #4, if the eye relief is sufficient. Keep in ind that Conquest and Meopta have FFP reticles, while the Leupold has SFP reticle. ILya
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Alan Robertson
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Please forgive my manners- Welcome to the OT forums, flipmo. |
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Rancid Coolaid
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Most. Awesome. Post. Evar! Some had sniper training with no TV involved. Koshkin is right, 50mm is the most prevalent. Koshkin is also right that comparing a small portion of a sniper's gear to what a hunter needs is wholly irrelevant. To the OP, is there a reason you have narrowed it to just those 2? There are several other good options for a 7mm mag.
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