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     The ELCAN Digital Hunter Riflescope/Camera

 

It’s DIGITAL (actually a CCD camera), THEREFORE it runs on electricity.  It is not an optical system in the traditional sense… it’s a camera.  Some old diehards may not like that.  GET OVER IT… it’s the wave of the future, it’s where “riflescopes” are headed.  If you can’t get over it, get used to it.

 

Initial impressions are that 1) it’s heavy and some people will not try it out for that reason EVEN if they could overcome their fears of the advance of technology, 2) the layout suggests there was not enough input from actual shooters… adjustments, etc are not indicative of good “human factors engineering” for field use… it is reminiscent of a laboratory instrument where time and ease of access are not the most important considerations... design features will probably improve significantly over time , 3) the battery compartment is one of the absolute WORST features on the “scope/camera” (from now on, I will use those terms interchangeably)…hard to get to, hard to get the batteries out, hard to put new batteries in… I am always worried I will break something… THAT is a big negative, 4) the camera is “adequate, but not outstanding (I suspect it was chosen a while back and has not been upgraded and that it was an experiment that did not command a great deal of monetary investment (relatively speaking) in case it failed… there are better cameras), 5) the ability to change reticles via software uploads is wonderful… if you have any engineering skills or artistic skills that you can combine with ballistics knowledge, this feature is just amazing, 6) it has Bullet Drop Compensation (BDC) (more on this later) but does not include laser rangfinding…which would be a real boon… ballistics information for a particular rifle/ammunition load is downloaded into the memory of the camera, 7) the reticle adjustments are just downright amazingly accurate… there are no mechanical limitations as in a traditional riflescope, each “click” (not clicks really but button presses) is 0.2MOA, so it is finer adjustment than the ¼ MOA mechanical scopes… zeroing the scope is about as easy as anything I have ever done with a scope and it is dead on… what you see, where you put the crosshair, if you can shoot, THAT’S where the bullet goes, 8) the instruction manual STINKS, finding things you need to adjust the scope seems “out of sequence” and disorganized, but there are online instructions that are much better… could be a lot more informative, there are things that can happen, like when the batteries get weak, that are not explained in the book.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             .

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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElJFYwRtrH4
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Sure are a lot of synthetic fiber clothes on those Earth Firsters!
 
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Either you wear oil-based clothes or clothes made from the fibers of your dead plant "friends."
 
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I shall never hunt another tree... earth firsters, however, should make sure they do not EVER cross the boundaries of my property... I couldn't tell them from coyotes after a kill...
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Below is the zero target... The first two shots were freehand.  After the second shot, I put the rifle in my LeadSled, adjusted the zero and fired the third shot... one too many.  I could not hold steady enough and adjust the reticle with just my hands.  When I was looking at the target after my second shot, I made a mental note of where in space the rifle was sitting and set up the LeadSled in that spot... it worked out OK...


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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

I use my short range right now because my 200 yard backyard range is grown over with saplings and briars... just have not had the time to mow everything down.  
mow or "target practice" ?Wink
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Cool. Looking foward to your full review. 
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This is the "daytime only" version.  I've had it out at dusk and dawn several times and it does not perform well in low light.  I'm taking some pretty detailed notes on it.  The day/night version, I am assured, works quite well.  I spoke with a Raytheon rep today and he provided me with some useful information.  As I test it out, I will reference his comments.  
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Silence... as in with a suppressor and subsonicBig Grin  A Lott Suppressor!  that'd be cool!
 
 
Back on topic, I am really interested in how you feel this thing does in low light once you get more time.  This is or isn't the day/night one ?
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I should never have posted that tree picture.  I should just shoot trees in silence...
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

I use my short range right now because my 200 yard backyard range is grown over with saplings and briars... just have not had the time to mow everything down.  
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I am reviewing the subject scope, testing it, putting it through its paces.  I toyed with it some, before mounting it to the rifle (BAR 30-06 w/BOSS).  My first impression was not very positive, but in the mounting and zeroing processing, I've come to appreciate it more.  It has some very nice features, zeroes easily once understood, no mirage effects that I've been able to introduce to date (good and bad... I use mirage for wind determinations).  It does not like very bright sunlight without the rubber eyepiece and does not like lowlight conditions (there is a day/night version that I would like to try sometime... actually considering purchasing one of the next generation models).   I have not had a chance to test any real performance, yet... just got it mounted, and boresighted a few days ago, reboresighted and zeroed today.  There IS DEFINITELY a learning curve for proper operations.  As I've manipulated and operated the scope/camera, I've become more comfortable with it.  I spend a lot of time with CCD systems and many things about the Digital Hunter are not intuitive.  However, the learning curve is not onerous or excessive and is worth the end results.  Once I got the scope finally mounted and boresighted, it took three shots to zero dead center at 30m.  I use my short range right now because my 200 yard backyard range is grown over with saplings and briars... just have not had the time to mow everything down.  And... I like the "battlesight zero" concept.  Right now, without using the Digital Hunter's electronic BDC computer, I am "dead on" with a point blank zero on an 8 inch target out to 305 yards.  Effecitve Employment of the BDC is one of my test objectives.
I have a target picture to post, but will have to get around to that and pictures of the "scope" on the rifle later today.  
My first impressions were pretty cold, but I'm warming up to it.  Once I get it into the field and do some real shooting with it, we'll see how it really performs when compared to SS10xHD, Ellis Optics 4-16, and Hensoldt ZF6-24.  I am now expecting some good things from this sighting device.  It will be interesting to see if the good outweighs the bad and if the elements that ARE good are good enough.  This is an interesting and exciting review for me.  I'm glad to get the opportunity to put the Digital Hunter through its paces.  It will be fun...
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