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teddy12b
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I've been shooting long range for a couple of years now and I think I'm getting ready to take the next step into more expensive optics. Currently I'm using a SWFA SS10X with side focus for shooting out to 1,000 yards. The problem is, while I know a lot about my rifle and handloads, I'm not that much of a gear junkie when it comes to the scopes. I figured I'd just be better to come here and mention all the things I want to be able to do with my rifle and then you guys could spec out a make and model that would suit me.
I have no complaints about the glass quality of my SWFA 10X, but I'd like to have more power to see out farther. It's not needed, but I want it because I want to be able to see the bullet splashes when I miss so I can make a correction.
So here's what I want:
- High power range, prefereably over 20X
- A lower power range that would allow me to hunt with this same scope (may not be possible) prefereably 4x but I can live with the 6x lowest power if I had to.
- I need a lot of elevation adjustment, preferably 80 or more. I want my ammo to limit my effective range, not my scope.
- I want clarity in the glass. Now I'm not a delicate flower that needs the worlds greatest glass, but I don't want something that's going to be blurry and all haizey at the max power. I want the max power to still be usable.
- After watching magpuls video on long range precision shooting I wouldn't mind a horus reticle or something similar like the Vortex HS XLR reticle coming out this fall.
- I'm not in special forces and I'm not going to drag this scope through mud, toss it off a cliff, use it to open a can of beer and then still expect it to have held it's zero, but I do want a scope that's built strong.
- I don't think I need an illuminated scope but if it's on there I guess it'll just have to look cool while I don't use it.
- I don't need something that's built for benchrest competition, but I'd like to know that I could try it out if I wanted to.
- Most importantly, I'd like to keep the scope under $1,500. I know S&B makes a heck of a scope, but I don't think I need anything that awesome. I'm just shooting steel plates to put a smile on my face folks.
What do you all say? Feel free to let me know your thoughts on what I'm asking about and don't hold back thinking you might offend me.
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Bigdaddy0381
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This would fit the bill for your needs and then some.
Glass is out right amazing, adjustment is good, durability is out standing. I have shot 1,200 yards using the 20x but with heat mirage it was hard to use the 20x and I had to back down to 16x. http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-5-20x50-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P51653.aspx |
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teddy12b
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My only real gripe with that scope is that I'd rather be 24x or more on the high end of the scope, and I'd have to convert my mind over from mil/moa to mil/mil.
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Chris Farris II
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I used to be in your same boat and I switched to a Mil/Mil finally and I love it and won't ever go back. |
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Alan Robertson
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teddy12b- Have you ever used a scope with 20x(+) magnification? If you haven't, you might ask to peer through one at the range. They can give you a really twitchy view when any level of mirage is present. |
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teddy12b
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I have looked through a 24x scope, but not any "real" quality ones. I had a 6-18x buckmaster once that was a pretty good choice for me at the time and I've also used a cheapo 6-24x tasco on a 22mag. I understand how jittery the scopes can be at the highest ranges, but I want the ability to go higher power, not saying I'm going to shoot everything at 24x, but I want to be able to max out when shooting at 1000 to see the dirt kick up since I kinda suck at that distance. Sure makes the follow up shots easier to adjust for.
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Chris Farris II
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The SS 5-20 @ 20x with the quality of glass it has you will not have any issues with doing this. I personally can vouch for this exact scope as can BigDaddy as we have both shot long distances with it. As I am sure many others have. The only comparable scope around that price with the features you want is the Vortex PST 6-24 and the SS has better glass and will out perform the PST set on 24x while the SS is set at 20x.
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Have you looked at the new Bushnell 3.5-21 HDMR it has hd Glass and your choice of mildot or horus style reticle at about $1300 I think this sounds like a perfect match and it's not cheap but wont breack the bank either oh yeah 89MOA. http://swfa.com/Bushnell-35-21x50-Elite-Tactical-34mm-Rifle-Scope-P51675.aspx
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teddy12b
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Actually I should have mentioned that the Bushnell 3.5-21 seems like that mystical perfect scope that we all seem to chase. I really like the 3.5 lower power setting as it's something I could use hunting in low light conditions. I have a black bear hunting habit and it'd be awesome to be able to use the same scope for everything from long range to up close in the woods hunting. I certainly wish the HDMR went just a little higher on the upper end of the power, but if it's good glass like SWFA 5-20 I guess it shouldn't matter so much. What makes me hesitate with that scope is that it hasn't been out long and it's hard to find reviews on it. My problem is still the same one I've always had though. I'm not enough of a scope buff to really be able to put the screws to a scope and see how it really compares to any other scope.
What do you guys think of that HDMR? It's got the power settings as close as I could ever really hope for, and the elevation adjustments are there as well except I don't really need them using the mil holds. I really like the idea of eliminating a variable of turret quality from the long range equation. Then again though, I don't know if this new scope is worth the $$ or not especially when you start getting into the nightforce price range of scopes.
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The Bushnell has not gotten great reviews on Sniper Central and Sniper's Hide, here is a review of the Bushnell on Sniper Central:
http://www.snipercentral.com/bushdmr.phtml The Super Sniper has gotten better reviews and is backed by SWFA, who has 100 times better customer service than Bushnell will ever have. |
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teddy12b
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The biggest hurdle I have with the HDMR/Horus is that it seems like it almost requires the use of the atrag software and pda. Those are great tools, but they also add to the cost by another 5 or 6 hundred by the time it's all said and done. It's not that I couldn't make notes on remember my holds from previous trips to the range, but the way the software works with that reticle it basically begs for the whole package to be together.
I could get the new scope now and upgrade everything else later, but still.
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Chris Farris II
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Here is a very extensive review done be a very well respected member here which includes both the HDMR and the SS.
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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5-20x50 Super Sniper - I have two wish I had two more.
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Steelbenz
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I wouldn't trade mine for your first born! LOL! That 5-20 will be the last scope to sit on my remmy.
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mil169
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Hate to send you any where else to look for a review. But there are several threads started at Snipers Hide dedicated to this particular scope. If you are willing to spend that much for an optic, I don't think you could go wrong.
Whenever I decide to pony up for a true long range build, this will get a long look. Maybe I'll be able to find a Demo B. I'm guessing not likely though, I think once you have this on your gun it won't come off.
Good luck.
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billyburl2
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I am really, really, really like mine as well! Teddy it is my opinion in this day of flame everything at the drop of a hat...Sometimes no news is good news. But here is another couple of reviews.
And here is mine. |
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Sparky
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You are talking about lower end scopes here. I think you would be amazed at how much better glass vs more magnification will allow you to see things. Especially at longer ranges. That is where better glass really comes into play. More magnification with lesser glass just magnifies the imperfections in the glass. Case in point I have a Leupold VXIII 6.5-20 which was one of my first scopes. But I can see much better at long range with my Swaro 3-10. I would really take a long hard look at the SS 5-20. Also notice the reoccurring theme here? That is what everyone is recommending. |
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teddy12b
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Along that note I should have mentioned that I had a bushnell 4200 6-24's and I was actually pretty happy at the clarity of the scope at the higher powers. It was a short lived relationship and I barely remember even owning it because I sold it so quickly after the elevation knob bottomed out on me and I wasn't even close to the 1000 yard target yet with a 20 moa rail on the thing. Clarity wise though for a reference to for those more knowledgable than I am I thought that scope was acceptable for clarity at all powers.
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