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Posted: March/29/2012 at 17:13 |
I stand corrected. I was just thinking a company that has been said on to have a non-exist warranty and no one knowing where they are out of would throw up a red flag on them being able to do anything right??
Like I said... I must be missing something??
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Posted: March/29/2012 at 17:24 |
Product = Great Business model = Poor
They are owned by Swarovski, but don't use the same business channels. Why? No one is quite sure. They, Swarovski, do service the scopes if there are issues as pointed out by others, but there have not been many issues percentage wise. It would be nice for the consumers if they got their business model ironed out.
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Posted: March/29/2012 at 17:34 |
SD Dog wrote:
Product = Great Business model = Poor
They are owned by Swarovski, but don't use the same business channels. Why? No one is quite sure. They, Swarovski, do service the scopes if there are issues as pointed out by others, but there have not been many issues percentage wise. It would be nice for the consumers if they got their business model ironed out.
| That is europe for ya. Why not just buy a Swarovski? and forget about those other clowns. The business model is the most important part of a business without it the is no business kinda like "green energy" all show and no go.
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Posted: March/29/2012 at 21:43 |
I have 2 Kahles scopes (KX 4-12x50 from the sample list and a CL 3-10x50) and I can assure you that the CL is every bit the optical quality of my Swarovski PH 3-12x50, 2-10x42 and 3-9x36A (all off the sample list) They are also much better than any of my Leupold V3s or Zeiss Conquests. I have spent many late evenings comparing the optics of many of these and other scopes and I concur with the other posts on here that Kahles is right there with the worlds finest scope makers. I feel they are only slightly, and very slightly at that, behind the Swaro Z6, Zeiss Victory, and Leica ER. If they are short in any area that is of any importance to me, it would be in their rather short eye relief. That is marginalized by the fact that none of mine not sit on any heavy kickers anyway. Do I have any fear of CS with Kahles? Nope. Will my next scope be a Kahles. Nope. Only because of the lure of the Z6 1.7-10x42's FOV, large sweet spot, and the less critical eye position. Nit picking at its finest!
In this global economy just think of how many business franchisees, industrial leaders, technology giants, etc have merged together to share resources to compete in the market place. Do you really feel Kahles teaming with Swarovski will somehow now give the advantage to Bushnell/Bauch and Lomb?
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Posted: March/29/2012 at 21:53 |
I recently sent in a Kahles for repair. Dawn at Swarovski stated that within the year there will be a stateside service/repair center for Kahles. She wasn't able to go into specifics.
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Posted: March/29/2012 at 21:57 |
FOsteology wrote:
I recently sent in a Kahles for repair. Dawn at Swarovski stated that within the year there will be a stateside service/repair center for Kahles. She wasn't able to go into specifics.
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Posted: March/29/2012 at 22:00 |
No. My scope is in route to Austria for repair.
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Posted: March/29/2012 at 22:02 |
Swarovski is currently the point of contact. They forward scopes on to Kahles in Austria for service and repair.
I was told I should have my scope back within 60-90 days.
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Posted: March/29/2012 at 22:06 |
I hope you get it back by fall hunting season.
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Posted: March/29/2012 at 22:08 |
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I was told 60-90 days. However, I'm not concerned as it's not my only riflescope.
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Posted: March/29/2012 at 22:14 |
Would loose focus each time I fired a round.
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Posted: March/30/2012 at 11:27 |
Kahles has had their troubles in the US market. That is for sure.
They are trying to set it up right this time around and from what they have told me they have a pretty good shot at doing this reasonably well this time around.
They have had their share of bad importers, but I am hopeful it will be different now.
Nevertheless, they always supported their scopes. They, perhaps, needed to be sent to Austria, but they would always support them, despite their importer sometimes.
Kahles has been making riflescopes longer than anyone else and I do not expect them to stop any time soon. The quality of their product is as good as that of anyone else's and better than most.
Whether they make it in US market or not, I do not know. But I definitely like their product enough to give them a chance.
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Posted: March/31/2012 at 10:04 |
Kahles are excellent scopes.
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Posted: April/05/2012 at 02:02 |
Kahles has been a designer and manufacturer of premium European optics since before the start of the 20th century. Kahles has been to create the best optics possible for avid
hunters and shooters, while maintaining a responsible environmental
corporate practice. <<competitor link removed>>
PLEAS READ THE FORUM RULES
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Posted: April/12/2012 at 19:14 |
If you had ever used a scope from Kahles you would understand. Look at the riflescope rating scale and you will see why they are worth the investment.
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Posted: April/12/2012 at 19:16 |
I feel the same Koshkin.
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Posted: April/15/2012 at 03:32 |
I hunted with a CL 3 - 10x50 MZ in 2011.
That is not going to happen again.
A Leupold VX I 2x7 with stoney point elevation knob worked better in 2009.
For 2012 I will throw my Kahles scope on the bone pile and buy a new scope that is moa moa with zero stop.
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