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    Posted: February/25/2012 at 01:28
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OK.... one very interesting hindrance with the TGR-S.

I had one in the past.  I mounted a 4.5x14x40mm LR 30mm with M1 dials.

After taking it to the range and firing it I discovered the following.

The angle path that the gun ejects the brass, coincides with the windage turret which results with the brass getting kicked right back in the gun perfectly!

Now that sucked!
So I have to be careful with the size of turrets

BTW I just tried a 4.5x14x40mm with the CDS turrets.  Same deal.  Pending on the position of scope it will or will not eject.  Cases (fired) fall back in.  If scope is placed very forward then it will.....but rear ring hits rear ocular!


Looking around on the net I found this.
I guess his answer was to turn the scope 90* off?

http://forum.gon.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=195463&stc=1&d=1224113084

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brad4213 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/25/2012 at 03:28
if its turned 90degrees off all it will do is make your elevation your new windage and your windage your new elevation, and in theory would work, may also be confusing unless you could switch turrets around. Or i would consider maybe getting some taller rings, thats only a suggestion/option i have, im not sure what the more knowlegable people on here would say. i know they will be more help than i. other option  maybe a leica, they seem to have super tiny turrets that i believe may allow clearance for the ejected brass. Big Grin good luck!
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Another possible option would be to look into having the geometry of the ejector changed just enough to change the trajectory of spent rounds as it leaves the action.  I have no idea how feasable or expensive that would be.  I'm not familiar with that action.  How wide is the ejection port?
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I think I will try the higher rings suggestion.
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   Something I've been wondering about for a long time.  Why design a scope so that a turret is over the ejection/loading port?  Kinda seems like a DUH.  No big deal for a nondangerous game rifle or target rifle I guess.  I've noticed over the yrs a few pics where guys have turned the scopes 90* on their dangerous game rifles.  Phil Shoemaker being one that comes to mind.  Am I missing something in the design features of a scope or something? 
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   Wasn't meaning for you to do it!   Big Grin
 
 
   Thinking mainly of your std hunting scope although if the designers would have taken into account that NOTHING should be over the ejection/loading port they could have come up with something.
 
    Maybe?
 
 
   Also.  VERY NICE rifle by the way!
 
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Just to twist your question why design a rifle that requires a scope, to eject into the scope. I do not see this as a scope problem but a rifle problem. . I would contact Sako about the problem. A knowlegable smith may be able to grind the ejector to swing the case to the side rather than with so much upward direction

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  BUT,even on rifles w/no such problem as Fotis (for instance my 98 Mauser has the scope mounted LOW w/no ejection/loading problem) if the turret wasn't in that position over the port there would be ALOT MORE room for FAST loading if needed.  Especially nice if wearing gloves or simply having cold hands.  I'm guessing that's why some turn their scopes 90*.  Is there a reason the turret HAS TO BE on that side?
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Personally I would try higher rings,actually I find higher rings give me a better cheek weld in most cases
I'm not as concerned with looks but function.
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Cheapest option would to be trying different ring heights.  If that doesn't work, either get a scope you can rotate, or ask a good gunsmith what can be done.
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Seems to me that this "problem" has surfaced on Sako 85's (sometimes) also. Most have done the ring switch or scope rotation, but I'm thinking that Sako has been made aware of but refused to acknowledge the problem (in public). I may be confused, but I am also thinking a re-designed or altered ejector has been the best fix.
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Thank you gents for all the input.  I ordered high rings for it.  I will keep you advised.
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Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

 
  BUT,even on rifles w/no such problem as Fotis (for instance my 98 Mauser has the scope mounted LOW w/no ejection/loading problem) if the turret wasn't in that position over the port there would be ALOT MORE room for FAST loading if needed.  Especially nice if wearing gloves or simply having cold hands.  I'm guessing that's why some turn their scopes 90*.  Is there a reason the turret HAS TO BE on that side?
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Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

 
  BUT,even on rifles w/no such problem as Fotis (for instance my 98 Mauser has the scope mounted LOW w/no ejection/loading problem) if the turret wasn't in that position over the port there would be ALOT MORE room for FAST loading if needed.  Especially nice if wearing gloves or simply having cold hands.  I'm guessing that's why some turn their scopes 90*.  Is there a reason the turret HAS TO BE on that side?


If it was on the other side the guys with left handed rifles would have the problem, to be honest I have never had any issues.
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