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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mlv2k5 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/27/2011 at 13:06
Something a little different you might consider is the BRNO ZKM-611. It is a beautiful rifle chambered in .22 magnum, has an excellent reputation for accuracy and can be had in the takedown version. It is a little more pricey, but nothing obscene. It also points naturally and the frame is small enough it shouldn't be a problem. I put a couple links to pictures below.

http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/4529174310/8316827/0e9bd425ef72c9d686cca6a1ea9dec85.jpg

http://www.gunsamerica.com/userimages/845/949501059/wm_md_1918426.jpg
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mlv2k5 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/27/2011 at 13:10
Well, I just searched for the ZKM-611 on a couple auction sites and the only ones listed are collector grade and obscenely expensive so my suggestion may have been fairly useless. I have seen them for sale in the past for significantly less, usually around 500-600 dollars and they are really great firearms if you can find one at that price. 
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Graham,
How does that little Browning shoot, it's really a pretty little gun? When I was a kid my older cousin had one of old Belgium guns and I always really liked it but when I got old enough to afford one they started making them in Japan. After that I kind of lost interest in the little Brownings even though my guess is that the Japanese guns are made better than the old Belgium ones. After seeing yours I may just re think this and go look at one.
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It shoots just how it looks, purdy good. lol.   You can actually mount a scope on them if you want to, the barrel it drilled and tapped so your scope stays on your barrel not the receiver.  I don't have a target that I've shot with it I could post but I know I use to pop empty shotgun hulls off a post at 25yds when I was younger.  Its taken a many a squirel out in its day too. 
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I will be shooting it off-hand, which, with my shooting skills, makes the intrinsic accuracy of the rifle an absolutely moot point.  I am a lousy shot to start with and truly terrible off-hand.  That is really the reason why I want this rifle: to practice (and I want another rifle anyway since there is still some space in the safe).

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It's really a nice looking rifle, it looks so nimble!
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http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/g2Contender.php these single shot rifles break down real easy.the older contender barrels fit the g2 frame also. 16.25'' and 21'' were standard for the older contender frame. It a nice option to go from 17 hmr to 45/70 gov't with a push of a pin 
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Originally posted by coyote95 coyote95 wrote:

http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/g2Contender.php these single shot rifles break down real easy.the older contender barrels fit the g2 frame also. 16.25'' and 21'' were standard for the older contender frame. It a nice option to go from 17 hmr to 45/70 gov't with a push of a pin 

Contender is indeed an option I did not think of beforehand.

I suppose that is something to consider, although at the moment that Browning Semi-auto is looking mighty appealing to me.

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I kinda feel a little slow since I didn't think of this sooner. How about one of the AR-15 22 rimfire clones. You just have the 2 pins holding the upper and lower together. 16" barrell and a collapsable stock should fit in a 24" case.
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Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

I kinda feel a little slow since I didn't think of this sooner. How about one of the AR-15 22 rimfire clones. You just have the 2 pins holding the upper and lower together. 16" barrell and a collapsable stock should fit in a 24" case.

I have thought of that, especially since I still have one stripped lower in the safe that I wanted to build up.  That is always an option and I am doing some reading on various 22lr uppers to see if there is something affordable and decent out there.  The whole package becomes somewhat expensive since I need to build the lower up.  The good thing of course is that I can do this over time.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

I will be shooting it off-hand, which, with my shooting skills, makes the intrinsic accuracy of the rifle an absolutely moot point.  I am a lousy shot to start with and truly terrible off-hand.  That is really the reason why I want this rifle: to practice (and I want another rifle anyway since there is still some space in the safe  armory).

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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

I will be shooting it off-hand, which, with my shooting skills, makes the intrinsic accuracy of the rifle an absolutely moot point.  I am a lousy shot to start with and truly terrible off-hand.  That is really the reason why I want this rifle: to practice (and I want another rifle anyway since there is still some space in the safe  armory).

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It is not that bad (I would have been banished from Commiefornia otherwise a long time ago).  I bet there are a bunch of people here with collections that exceed mine by a solid margin.  Besides, a takedown 22 should not take that much space, hence it might still fit...

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

I have thought of that, especially since I still have one stripped lower in the safe that I wanted to build up.  That is always an option and I am doing some reading on various 22lr uppers to see if there is something affordable and decent out there.  The whole package becomes somewhat expensive since I need to build the lower up.  The good thing of course is that I can do this over time.

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Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

I have thought of that, especially since I still have one stripped lower in the safe that I wanted to build up.  That is always an option and I am doing some reading on various 22lr uppers to see if there is something affordable and decent out there.  The whole package becomes somewhat expensive since I need to build the lower up.  The good thing of course is that I can do this over time.

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Budget on the upper?

Honestly, I do not know for sure.  I have not yet fully formulated what I want to spend.  Most decent quality 22LR uppers seem to run about $500.  Are you aware of any rimfire uppers that are well made and cost less?

With the lower, I would be looking to set it up in an identical manner to my two other ARs, so that there is commonality from the training standpoint:

Rock River National Match parts kit with Ergo Grip and two-stage trigger: $200
C1 buttstock with tube, buffer and spring: $55
Accuracy Speak Adjustable Buttplate: $150

So, if I go this route, I am out about $400 before I even get to the upper or to the sighting system.

If the upper costs about $500, the whole thing will end up in ~$1000 range which is something I would like to avoid.

With the Browning or something along those lines, I should be able to stay in the $500-$600 range.

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http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/SelfLoading/70PSS.asp
Marlin also makes a semi auto break down 22 the 70PSS -- its a handy light little thing and not outrageously expensive plus its stainless so it is an excellent survival rifle.  One does screw on the barrel nut every time one puts it together. Down side is it does not have a traditional forearm.
Now for the good and bad of the other possibles. The Browning has a nice solid feel to it ist a convenient size and to break down depress one lever turn the barrel 90 degrees and its done.  The down side is if you wear long sleeve shirts this little beauty is a bottom ejector and you will eventually get a hot case down your sleeve but its a wonderfully solid gun my best friend had one when we were in high school and it took tremendous abuse and worked very reliably. Also note the Browning as of the last several years comes in a stainless version also but rare as hens teeth.
 
The Marlin 39A golden trigger is a very expensive 22 rifle by the standards of price tags of others however it has a very solid feel and shoots very true. I had one in high school and it was abused but held up superbly including getting dropped over the side of the spillway at the Olmos dam into deep water when the police showed up. It was later recovered and cleaned and worked flawlessly unfortunately it disappeared about the time the first wife did.  I did not take it apart often but take down is with the large ugly screw knob on the side.
 
One other possible that you may not have considered is a Ruger 10-22 with a folding stock these make a very nice little package and of course come into play instantly.  I have recently seen some factory ruger 10-22 rifles with 16 in heavy barrels. One might have to rework the barrel channel in the folding stock as they are set up for the standard barrel.  One would of course need to be carefull that in folded configuration it is 26 in.
 
The AR upper in 22 - just remember you will pay as much for a scope mount as what most 22's cost. Not high on my list however I have a friend who loves his and he came in 27th at Camp Perry. If you shoot service rifle with a sling in competition this is a good idea for the rest of us it sucks.
 
Encore rifles can have custom Bullberry barrels in 22 and most other calibers if its a handgun range you might select another caliber that interest you and while the factory barrels are a disappointment the Bullberry barrel and special hanger bar fore end are superb.
 
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70PSS is not of a whole lot of interest to me, since I already have a somewhat similar AR-7 (which I currently use for indoor practice).

Stainless vs blued steel is not very critical for me.  It is fairly dry where I spend most of my time, so rust is not a major concern.  I will go with whatever is cheaper in this regard.

10/22 with a folding stock will not work for my purposes because it has to be longer than 26" with the stock folded (California rule).

As far as scope mounts for an AR go, I have enough of them on hand that I am not very worried about their cost.

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I was thinking about a Tactical Solutions upper. But they are over your budget. On the website they list for $590 to $670. But it might be worth your time to check with a dealer. Sometimes they are much lower than list. These are very well made and accurate. I know you said you are not the best shot, but with practice that may change. Also could you use one of the lowers you already have for this? That would allow you to build your dedicated lower over time as funds allow. That is the route I am thinking of doing and when I do get a dedicated lower it will probably be a JP for about $480.

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Since you already have 2 ARs, I suggest you try the Ceiner 22 conversion kit for the AR. You can still break down the upper from the lower. Just replace the bolt carrier group with the kit and use the kit's magazine. You can get the kit for about $170 or less (stay away from the CMMG kit). Even if you get the Browning, you will enjoy shooting your ARs with 22RFs, they will shoot minute of golf ball. You don't have the use of the bolt hold open like the dedicated 22 rifles, but everything else is pretty much the same including your trigger pull.
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Ruger with standard 18 in barrel measurse 27inches with stock folded using Butler Creek Folding stock

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Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

Since you already have 2 ARs, I suggest you try the Ceiner 22 conversion kit for the AR. You can still break down the upper from the lower. Just replace the bolt carrier group with the kit and use the kit's magazine. You can get the kit for about $170 or less (stay away from the CMMG kit). Even if you get the Browning, you will enjoy shooting your ARs with 22RFs, they will shoot minute of golf ball. You don't have the use of the bolt hold open like the dedicated 22 rifles, but everything else is pretty much the same including your trigger pull.

Only one of my ARs is chambered for 223 and unfortunately that upper is longer than I want for this project (I think) since it has a 20" barrel.

My other AR is shorter, but it is chambered for 6.5Grendel, so it won't work.

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