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grizbacker
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Posted: October/04/2011 at 21:25 |
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Anyone own one? If so, how do you like it. Thinking of getting one for my bear defense gun during bow season.
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Bigdaddy0381
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The XDM is a good wepon. I have had a few and them all seem to shoot well and be so/so reliable (jammed when not kept spotless clean). If it were me and it was once, I bought a nice 1911. the cost was not much more ($100)than the XD but the function and feel are WAY WAY WAY better than the XD. This is a s&w1911PD with the Scandium frame. It shoot as smooth as glass. I reworked the trigger and it is nice. I paid $600 shipped for this and it was brand spanking new. Just keep your eyes open and u can find the deals. The XD are plastic for the most part and this is not. so if you have to feed it to the bear this would be harder for him to chew.
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Not trying to play the devil's advocate here, but would a 10mm fit the bill for bear defense? I'm going to take a hunting trip out West and have rattled the same issue around in my mind; I considered the 10mm just due to penetration.
Thoughts?
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S&W500 makes an awful appealing bear gun to me
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supertool73
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That is interesting. I shot over 3000 rounds out of my XDm without cleaning or even putting more oil on it and never had a single malfunction. I had an XD .45 and went over 2000 with it. I have had a total of 7 different XDs and XDms and don't ever recall having a single malfunction in any of them. You must have got a lemon. |
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Bigdaddy0381
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Might have but the chances of more then one are not likley. I'm not putting them down but there is better for around the same money. would I own another sure if the price is right.
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I would be looking at a Revo as well, or something with more power than a .45 auto.
Ruger has the Rehawk in .44 mag and .45 colt that has a 4 inch barrel. I have one in .45 colt, loaded hot it packs a pretty good punch. http://ruger.com/products/redhawk/models.html Edited by supertool73 - October/05/2011 at 09:36 |
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ckk1106
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I think so. Especially with heavy hard cast bullets. |
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BeltFed
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I think S&W has couple of revolvers just for such events. If it were me, I'd look for one of the S&W Mountain guns in .44 Mag with a 4" bbl.. I just don't think .45ACP is big enough for a black bear, much less Mr. or Mrs. Grizz.
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tahqua
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I carry a G20 in black bear country all of the time. It's not a .44 but it sure beats my .357. Load them hot or get factory rounds like the Cor-Bon or Double Tap hunting fodder.
There are a few 1911's available in 10mm too. The XD's don't come in a suitable black bear cartridge.
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45ACP is just not enough for bear and the bullet selection is not there for bear as well. I would not carry anything less than a 10mm with the proper bullet type. Just because it has the velocity and muzzle energy does not mean it will do the job.
Bears can be very dangerous and I would want something that is really going to stop them. Such as a S&W 4 inch 500 with a specific bear load. |
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Bitterroot Bulls
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Use bear spray in bear country. Many people have been mauled by gunshot-wounded grizzly bears. It is also much easier to paint a charging bear with spray than make effective shots. Then there are incidents like an OT member's friend, who accidentally shot and killed his hunting partner while trying to shoot the bear mauling him.
That said, I often carry a .40 Glock in the backcountry.
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grizbacker
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I was considering something bigger like the .44 mag 460 or 500 but I was drawn the the 45 for a few reasons. First a much higher capacity means more bullets to shoot if the shtf. Also the gun itself is much lighter than a revolver and the recoil is quite a bit less which would help with follow up shots.
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The truth is that no handgun made is ideal for Grizzley Bears. I have a 45-70 Encore single shot which comes about as close as any to being effective but its only one shot. I would feel a lot better with a rilfe minimum of 30-06 and given my preference a .375 H&H but there is a reason they call the 45-70 Marlin lever guns Guide guns they are short handy and fast with a big heavy bullet that will penetrate deep. I would feel pretty comfortable with a 300 Win Mag or a 300 WSM in a light weight Tikka. As for handguns look at the difference in energy between a .45acp and a 44 mag then buy the 44 mag. The 460 and 500 are just simply too clumsy.
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That isn't necessarily what happened. I'll just lay it out for you. The other hunter may or may not have been killed by a bullet. Reason I say this, is that the entrance wound was very distorted, and there was bear related material throughout the wound channel. Also the slug was never recovered, so they don't actually know if it was a bullet or bone fragment(s). Or if it was a ricochet from the guys own weapon as he was shooting the bear as it charged. That being said I positively wouldn't trust a 45 to take on a bear. The smallest thing I would carry for protection would be a .357 mag, but preferably a 44mag. Ruger Redhawk would get my vote. Pepper spray I have a real hard time trusting, also for the simple fact once its gone you can't reload. Also some of the spray cans have a pin that must be pulled to activate the can. Trying to fumble with that as a griz is charging doesn't quite make me feel warm and fuzzy. However depending upon your level of fortitude and courage, you could absolutely disable any bear with a 45 auto. You would just have to wait until it opened its mouth to chew on you and then empty the clip into its throat. Not really ideal. |
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grizbacker
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For me, the small increase in energy of the .357 mag is not enough to offset the higher capacity and rate of fire of the 45... 44 mag may be a different story
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Thundey
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357 will penetrate further than the 45 ACP. Cripes even a 9mm will penetrate further than a 45 ACP. If you have to defend yourself from a bear you'll want all the energy that you can control.
If you know anyone with any of the calibers you're looking for, try and talk them into going to the range and shooting a bucket full of sand. |
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The slight increase in energy of the .357 over the .45 is only about double that of the .45.
Just carry a sack full of tennis balls instead of a .45. The tennis balls will be about as effective as the .45, and maybe you can get the bear to chase the tennis balls instead of you.
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Life's concerns should be about the 120lb pack your trying to get to the top of the mountain, and not the rock in your boot.
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Seamaster
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I have one XDM .45 and a XD Tactical .45. Both never jam on me even with cheap ammo, or my wife's weak wrist. XDM feels much lighter in hand and quicker to point than my XD tactical. Both about same accuracy @25 yard, Tactical has longer barrel thougth. One thing I don't like about XD and XDM is they factory sight to aim at 6 O'clock instead center. They sight are not adjustable like Glock unless buy after market one for $120. Never the less XDM is a great gun, I love the grip safety.
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