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You got those pics big enough?  Wink  Even on my 23 inch monitor they go way past the edges.
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I've seen some variation in how pointed the top of the triangle can be.  The illuminated aiming point in an Accupoint scope is actually the very end of a long fiber optic strand, and they grind the sides of the end of the round fiber optic to form the triangle shape.  However, even when the point of the triangle is at its most "rounded," the very tip still subtends less of the target than the dot, as your pictures demonstrate.  At best, there's no advantage one way or the other.
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Good lord, Wes you take great pics but it's like sitting in the front row of a movie theater when trying to see 'em.  Big Grin





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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tejas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/11/2011 at 22:41
Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

  If you are a precision shooter you will like the #4 the standard crosshair with illuminated dot or the Mildot version because they do give a very precise aiming point. 
 
I keep hearing that statement being made, but logically, how can that be possible?  How can something round provide a finer aiming point than an arrow shape that terminates to a sharp point, if you're aiming with the very tip of the point, as you should be?  Think of it in the same way as a knife blade... there's no way a rounded edge can be as sharp as an angle that terminates to a very fine point.
 
I have a thick German #1 post reticle in the scope on my .300 mag.  It has the same pointed profile at the top of the post as the Accupoint triangle, and despite the post being extremely thick, I'm able to shoot .5 MOA groups with that rifle on a pretty regular basis because the thick post is only there to lead your eye to the tip of the point.  If I can see it, I can aim at it, no matter how small.  Without a post or crosshair continuing vertically in the 12:00 position, the upper portion of the field is totally unobstructed. 

I think RifleDude is correct. In theory at least. Most people, me included,  are just so used to a normal "crosshair" that a triangle seems unorthodox or something. It seems to me, that the lower part of the triangle would cover up part of you're target. I haven't looked through one though so i'm just visualizing it. I guess it's all personal preference. I would like to look through one and see for myself though.
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Wes,   refer to mikes cmment aboveWink lol

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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Wes,   refer to mikes cmment aboveWink lol

Hello  Did you read the post that followed -  I was trying to get the photo up and my Computer DIED so I had to use a different computer that has no photo editing software and upload it through http://www.imgur.com/   The computer would not restart, had to go to the shop and get repaired.  Computer is backnow,  photo is cropped although it is still out of focus as I had problems with the camera also.  Some days nothing works right. Jerry Springer

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lol  no i didnt' read it it Fubared my computer here at work and would only load about half the image so I just skipped that whole page after that lol
 
 
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I wasn't talking about this thread...  Mouth Taped Shut... just kidding!!!  Wes, you definitely do take great photos with your camera!!  Thunbs Up    Excellent

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Many thanks for the pics!  I think I am going to go with the green dot crosshair unless anyone can change my mind!
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

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I know those days Wes.  You know we just give you a hard time cause we can..... and your always so PC about things.
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One more quick question!  Can anyone with the triangle tell me more about the BAC in actual use on running deer?  
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No Problem Guys.  As for the BAC  Balistic Aiming Concept  the way that works is you keep both eyes open and the one not behing the scope sees the wide angle overall view of what is going on but the illuminated area in the scope fools the brain into looking at the ilumination and placing it on target.  This is extremely effective.  Our soldiers use this in their combat optics.  Trijicon ACOG and Aimpoint red dot scopes.  Trijicon lists info on their different scopes and considers some like the post w triangle to work with the BAC principle and some like the mil dot to not work that way.  What I will suggest to you is if you stalk game and will have shots that require rapid target acquisition buy the Post and if you hunt from a stand or blind or fixed position with a solid rest buy the mil dot.  The added advantage of the mil dot is that the dots can be used for known distance hold ove and also for rangefinding an object of known size.
It is a hard choice and both answers are correct.  Selection of power range also makes a big difference.
The 1-4 is best used inside 300 yds and is excellent for fast action.  The 2.5-10x56 is an awesome choice but its a big scope and some dont like that prefering a traditional 3-9 and the 5-20x50 is their idea of a long range scope the only one with adjustable target / tactical knobs but the scope only has 50 moa of internal adjustment so it is not a true Long range scope best used under 600 yds.  The #4 reticle in the 1-4x seems to be very popular.  Color also - there is no wrong choice.

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hey, your scope is canted, might want to recheck the mount :)
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Originally posted by ccoker ccoker wrote:

hey, your scope is canted, might want to recheck the mount :)
Yes I know but its a good thing I was able to guess how tipped the rifle was with one hand and the camera was with the other hand considering the viewing screen on the camera was solid black and gave no input due to someone else having run the battery down and left it that way. I know with tripods and sandbags in the garage why not use those next timeThinking

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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

No Problem Guys.  As for the BAC  Balistic Aiming Concept  the way that works is you keep both eyes open and the one not behing the scope sees the wide angle overall view of what is going on but the illuminated area in the scope fools the brain into looking at the ilumination and placing it on target.  This is extremely effective.  Our soldiers use this in their combat optics.  Trijicon ACOG and Aimpoint red dot scopes.  Trijicon lists info on their different scopes and considers some like the post w triangle to work with the BAC principle and some like the mil dot to not work that way.  What I will suggest to you is if you stalk game and will have shots that require rapid target acquisition buy the Post and if you hunt from a stand or blind or fixed position with a solid rest buy the mil dot.  The added advantage of the mil dot is that the dots can be used for known distance hold ove and also for rangefinding an object of known size.
It is a hard choice and both answers are correct.  Selection of power range also makes a big difference.
The 1-4 is best used inside 300 yds and is excellent for fast action.  The 2.5-10x56 is an awesome choice but its a big scope and some dont like that prefering a traditional 3-9 and the 5-20x50 is their idea of a long range scope the only one with adjustable target / tactical knobs but the scope only has 50 moa of internal adjustment so it is not a true Long range scope best used under 600 yds.  The #4 reticle in the 1-4x seems to be very popular.  Color also - there is no wrong choice.


Great information and you are correct in that there is more than one correct answer.  Where I hunt is a combination of woods with large open fields allowing 300yards shots as well.  The problem is that a lot of surrounding farms also hunt and the possibility of a running shot is also high. 

I think I have decided on the mil dot crosshair and my only decision now is to decide on amber or green!  Of the two dots, which do you guys prefer?
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I have one amber one red and one green trijicon scope and they all work. Green appears brightest to the eye,  amber seems to work really well on a running deer,  and red also works well.  Its a toss up look at a street light and pick one or look at the three fiber optic colors an a bow sight and pick one.

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Wonder why Trijicon does not offer the dot crosshair in red?  I am pretty sure they used to make it. 
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Originally posted by tntxfour tntxfour wrote:

Wonder why Trijicon does not offer the dot crosshair in red?  I am pretty sure they used to make it. 




Here is the response I got from emailing what color Trijicon recommends for hunting:

 

Thank you for your inquiry and I do apologize for the delay in response. A lot of the color choice is personal preference from the shooter although the red reticle can wash out against lighter color background such as the color of a deer sometimes harder for the shooter to find if they are not use to seeing that color on the other hand, the green is the brightest color and easy for your eye to pick up. It does not get lost against a green background. The amber is good for low light conditions. We recommend the green color over the amber. If we can assist you further please feel free to contact us.

 

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FWIW, while I don't have an Accupoint yet, I do have several Trijicon night sights on a few of my pistols and a shotgun. I have both green and amber and for my eyes I like the green much better.
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I too like the green best.  I would have picked green, but only red and amber were available at the time I bought my Accupoints.
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