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Originally posted by Bitterroot Bulls Bitterroot Bulls wrote:

Clips?

I thought they had detachable magazines.

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Originally posted by Dyelynn Dyelynn wrote:

I can always put a limbsaver and/or a muzzle break on it if it's too bad... actually i'd planned on slapping a limbsaver on it right off... whether i got a vanguard or a tikka.  I seem to be having the same experience as you... lots of cudos for the tikka and not much about the vanguard at all.  given the fact i've actually fired a tikka and like it very much, i'm leaning that way.

It does hit harder than the wood stock models. I took a lot of the recoil of mine, with a limbsaver like you mention. If you choose a muzzlebreak be aware you are having a gooood chance getting unpopular with your "nabours" when you visit the range. 
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I have bought three tikka stainless rifles in the last year and all are sub moa they dont leave the factory if they dont shoot well.  One of the gunsmiths here that is quite knowledgable really likes the Weatherby/Howa rifles.  I have also had good luck with Savage Model: 16 FCSS  being good shooters. http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/models/   Weight wise Savage is 6.9 lbs Tikka just over 6 lbs Vanguard SubMOA is 7.5 lbs

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Pyro... go with what you know right?  I'm still very interested in the vanguard s2 as well... and i'm planning on getting either a 300 or 338 for a new elk gun.  that's a good enough reason to pick up a vanguard later, in a smaller caliber, since "honey, the win mag is just too much gun for blacktail" :)  I'm still not decided, just leaning towards the tikka, especially since i found one in a local newspaper NIB, with an extra mag and a limbsaver for 625.00... including tax thats about 150$ less than i'd pay at the store.

trigger... the one bit of advice i'd gotten about the vanguard (original) was the trigger difficulties, but the S2 supposedly has an all new trigger, so hopefully those woes are fixed.  I'm also not hell bent on getting a detachable mag, but it sure makes loading and unloading a lot easier when getting in and out of a vehicle often.

claus... the same guy that warned me about the vanguard's trigger warned me away from muzzle breaks for the reason you mention.  honestly, i don't care, lol.  there's a reason you wear ear plugs at the range, and if it makes a hard kicking mule of a rifle easier or more comfortable to shoot with accuracy, it's worth a little discomfort to my neighbors... i don't complain when they shower me with hot 22lr brass :P

imagine... the weight of the tikka is also a nice bonus.  i realize that's going to contribute to felt recoil, but humping a lighter rifle up and down the hills and waddies of eastern washington would be nice.

bottom line, unless i find a smokin' deal (like the 338 i mentioned) before the vanguard s2 comes out, i'll more than likely wait and handle one before i buy either.  if i do pick up a tikka for my elk gun, i can always buy an s2 or something else for a new deer rifle... or a plinker... or for my wife... or for my son, etc :)
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Ha ha. All right , your the boss. 
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The vanguard s2 looks to be a real winner. I especially like the new 3 pound, 2-stage trigger, that shares nothing in common with other Weatherby rifles. The new 3 position safety appeals to me as well.

I'll take a new vanguard s2 please.
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Originally posted by gglass gglass wrote:

The vanguard s2 looks to be a real winner. I especially like the new 3 pound, 2-stage trigger, that shares nothing in common with other Weatherby rifles. The new 3 position safety appeals to me as well.

I'll take a new vanguard s2 please.

a two stage trigger on a hunting rifle? why?? the three position safety, i will take that and smile though.Big Grin
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by gglass gglass wrote:

The vanguard s2 looks to be a real winner. I especially like the new 3 pound, 2-stage trigger, that shares nothing in common with other Weatherby rifles. The new 3 position safety appeals to me as well.

I'll take a new vanguard s2 please.

a two stage trigger on a hunting rifle? why?? the three position safety, i will take that and smile though.Big Grin
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having more or less (finally) decided on a set of binos and the scope i want to put on my new rifle... i'm returning to the argument of what chambering i want to use as well...  I keep bouncing between magnum and non magnum... short and long... weatherby or remmington.

I know I do not want a RUM.  and i think, given what i would like to hunt with the rifle i probably don't want to go above a 30cal (although i am intrigued by the 338win)... but i've little enough experience with hunting that i'm not certain what would be best.

for instance... if i choose to get a 270win, will i have enough knockdown power to drop an elk at range? (pardon my intrusion on the other thread regarding this)  or... if i choose a 300win mag for more knock down on an elk, will i liquify a black tail inside 100yards with a 150gr federal premium nosler?

i guess what i'm asking now is, if you were hunting primarily deer(black tail and mule) and elk, and had to choose 1 chambering to use for both, what would be your choice.  As stated, i'm not opposed to weatherby magnums, but i really want to stay away from the RUMs.
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Originally posted by Dyelynn Dyelynn wrote:

having more or less (finally) decided on a set of binos and the scope i want to put on my new rifle... i'm returning to the argument of what chambering i want to use as well...  I keep bouncing between magnum and non magnum... short and long... weatherby or remmington.

I know I do not want a RUM.  and i think, given what i would like to hunt with the rifle i probably don't want to go above a 30cal (although i am intrigued by the 338win)... but i've little enough experience with hunting that i'm not certain what would be best.

for instance... if i choose to get a 270win, will i have enough knockdown power to drop an elk at range? (pardon my intrusion on the other thread regarding this)  or... if i choose a 300win mag for more knock down on an elk, will i liquify a black tail inside 100yards with a 150gr federal premium nosler?

i guess what i'm asking now is, if you were hunting primarily deer(black tail and mule) and elk, and had to choose 1 chambering to use for both, what would be your choice.  As stated, i'm not opposed to weatherby magnums, but i really want to stay away from the RUMs.

i would get a .300wby mag then, i love mine.
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Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

 
  .30-06

I have one friend who tells me .06 and another that tells me 270win.  i worry about the knock down power of the 270 and the range of the .06.  i suppose both of those worries are moot given the longevity of both of those chamberings, but i find myself needed to keep thinking this thing in circles until i'm positive i'm making the right choice :)


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i would get a .300wby mag then, i love mine.

when i first started thinking of buying a new rifle, this was my first choice of cartridge.  since then i began to worry about ammo costs and barrel life (my primary fear with RUM is barrel life). 

thank you both for your suggestions :)
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how much shooting you planning on doing?
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i decided last year, after being reintroduced to wild game, that i wanted to start eating bambi and all his little friends as much and often as possible.  to that end i decided to start hunting again.

however, after taking my wife to the range with me, we've found that we both love to target shoot very much as well.

now i know that the rifle i'm looking at buying isn't the ideal target or range gun, and anything magnum is going to be pretty dumb for that with high ammo prices... but unfortunately i can't afford to buy more than 1 rifle this year and i'd rather it be a new hunter, than a new range gun.

that's a really long answer i guess... short answer, probably 20 rounds a month or so for the rest of the year.  much less than that once i get a nice range gun or something along those lines.
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Originally posted by Dyelynn Dyelynn wrote:

i decided last year, after being reintroduced to wild game, that i wanted to start eating bambi and all his little friends as much and often as possible.  to that end i decided to start hunting again.

however, after taking my wife to the range with me, we've found that we both love to target shoot very much as well.

now i know that the rifle i'm looking at buying isn't the ideal target or range gun, and anything magnum is going to be pretty dumb for that with high ammo prices... but unfortunately i can't afford to buy more than 1 rifle this year and i'd rather it be a new hunter, than a new range gun.

that's a really long answer i guess... short answer, probably 20 rounds a month or so for the rest of the year.  much less than that once i get a nice range gun or something along those lines.

if your only going to shoot 300 rounds a year i wouldnt worry about barrel life in any rifle. if you were shooting that much a week different story.

if you think the .270 isnt something you want, and neither is the 30-06 how about meet in the middle and try the .280rem???


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well, i have a remmington 721 in 30.06 that i bought used...  i don't mind the chambering at all, i'd just like something else, different :P  also, i'm not very fond of the rifle itself.  i don't know if it's just because i bought it used, or because it's a very old rifle or what.

i also have my son's (he's 12) tikka t3 lite SS in .270.... love this rifle, love the chambering.

so maybe a better question would be what chambering other than those 2... or what chambering if you already have those 2.
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.300 win mag wouldnt be a bad choice either
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  So you've got all the 30 caliber rifle you need. You might go up a few calibers but you'll get into more recoil.  You going to be reloading?
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i would like to reload eventually, but it's likely several years down the road.  i realize getting bigger means more recoil, but aren't there several ways to reduce felt recoil... better stocks, recoil pads, and breaks among them?

maybe i should just buy a new 30.06 and sell the old remmington, lol.
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whats wrong with the 30-06 you have now?i realize you have a rem721, which was the pre cursor to the m700. they werent that bad of a rifle. to be honest with you the 30-06 will kill anything your gonna hunt in the lower 48. i killed my first elk with a m70 30-06 and a 150gr bullet. used that same rig here to shoot a dandy 10 point white tail. its not the best choice for long range elk hunting, but its not the worst either.


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