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Range | Drop | Drop | Windage | Windage | Velocity | Mach | Energy | Time | Lead | Lead |
(yd) | (in) | (MOA) | (in) | (MOA) | (ft/s) | (none) | (ft•lbs) | (s) | (in) | (MOA) |
0 |
-1.5 |
*** |
0.0 |
*** |
2932.1 |
2.611 |
5153.5 |
0.000 |
0.0 |
*** |
100 |
-0.0 |
-0.0 |
0.1 |
0.1 |
2826.3 |
2.517 |
4788.3 |
0.104 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
200 |
-2.9 |
-1.4 |
0.3 |
0.2 |
2723.0 |
2.425 |
4444.7 |
0.212 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
300 |
-10.4 |
-3.3 |
0.8 |
0.2 |
2622.1 |
2.335 |
4121.3 |
0.325 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
400 |
-23.0 |
-5.5 |
1.4 |
0.3 |
2523.4 |
2.247 |
3816.9 |
0.441 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
500 |
-41.0 |
-7.8 |
2.2 |
0.4 |
2426.9 |
2.161 |
3530.5 |
0.562 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
600 |
-65.0 |
-10.3 |
3.3 |
0.5 |
2332.5 |
2.077 |
3261.0 |
0.689 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
700 |
-95.4 |
-13.0 |
4.6 |
0.6 |
2240.1 |
1.995 |
3007.9 |
0.820 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
800 |
-132.6 |
-15.8 |
6.1 |
0.7 |
2149.7 |
1.914 |
2770.1 |
0.957 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
900 |
-177.5 |
-18.8 |
7.8 |
0.8 |
2061.5 |
1.836 |
2547.4 |
1.099 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
1000 |
-230.4 |
-22.0 |
9.9 |
0.9 |
1975.4 |
1.759 |
2339.1 |
1.248 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
1100 |
-292.4 |
-25.4 |
12.2 |
1.1 |
1891.6 |
1.685 |
2144.9 |
1.403 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
1200 |
-364.0 |
-29.0 |
14.8 |
1.2 |
1810.2 |
1.612 |
1964.2 |
1.565 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
1300 |
-446.2 |
-32.8 |
17.8 |
1.3 |
1731.3 |
1.542 |
1796.7 |
1.735 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
1400 |
-540.1 |
-36.8 |
21.1 |
1.4 |
1655.1 |
1.474 |
1642.0 |
1.912 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
1500 |
-646.6 |
-41.2 |
24.8 |
1.6 |
1581.8 |
1.409 |
1499.8 |
2.097 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
1600 |
-767.1 |
-45.8 |
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Posted: March/12/2011 at 22:17 |
Very nice review... I wish you would do that more often...
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Posted: March/12/2011 at 22:44 |
That is a very high BC bullet. I usually use SMKs or Scenars, but then again I seldom have an opportunity to shoot that far out
With the 10-50x60 and a 30MOA rail, you might not be able to get a 100yards zero. Even a 500 yard zero might be cutting it too close.
Personally, I simply prefer to stay away from the very edges of adjustment range if I can. Most good quality scopes are fine with it, but I am paranoid, so it just something I do as a matter of "good practices".
Aside from 70 MOA of adjustment range, the 8-32x56 also has more adjustment per revolution available, so I prefer that one to 10-50x60.
From a durability standpoint, the slightly smaller 8-32x56 is easier to make robust (short and lighter objective bell), but both should work fine.
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NEXT TIME I AM GOING TO ASK BEFORE I BUY.
Maybe this needs to go on a 6.5x55 and I try it again...
Especially to get the better mechanics...
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WOW! That's an understatement! Nice review, .338! Thanks!
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Posted: March/13/2011 at 20:44 |
Was asked where to get these bullets. If you don't have a local Machine shop that can get the stock you can get them on the net at two different places. I think Midway sells them as well. I think these 240gr are a little over stated they do not perform up to there rating but are over .80's http://www.lehighbullets.com/products.asp?cat=30or http://www.boretech.com/products/bulletsv3.shtmlclick on Technical Data These are a couple of interesting quick reads... http://longrangeshooter.com/forums/index.php?topic=215.0 http://www.silencertests.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=35102&start=50http://sysops666.blogspot.com/2007_06_01_archive.html
The below have to be sorted out for real data and actual facts. They are in depth about long range 1000yrd+ shooting... A very very interesting read that is a long read but has good info is http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=674586&page=1
it references the many things affected by the higher BC. another http://www.snipercountry.com/roster/AllArchives/duty062002_01_04.htmAND LAST BUT NOT LEAST... THE VERY COVETED AND CONTROVERSIAL LUTZ MOELLER http://lutz-moeller-jagd.de/Ballistik/A_Ballistic_Coefficient_Discussion_with_Lost_River.htmWhat happened to LRB???
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Posted: March/13/2011 at 20:49 |
Oh yeah and buy the Scenar (Skinnar) Bullets if you don't want to drop the extra Dime....
I can get them since I buy them a few thousand at a time for $.62 300GR .736 BC a little better than the $1.20 per...
Back to the scope...
SO I wanted to try a Sightron because I keep dumping my nicer rifles with my nicer scopes and I am splitting other rifles/scopes to sell either that will get the better money vs. what I have into them and still have rifles that are missing eyes...
I believe I can get a few pics posted by Thursday. I am going out Wed. and am going to staple the camera to my hand since I have forgotten it in the rush the last few times...
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O yeah!! Humble Pie RULES!!
Oh and before I forget...nice rig!
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Posted: March/14/2011 at 14:28 |
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In an ideal situation, 50MOA on a 338LM is enough to get you out to a mile or so...
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Well shucks, only a mile or so?
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Posted: March/14/2011 at 15:22 |
Alan Robertson wrote:
koshkin wrote:
In an ideal situation, 50MOA on a 338LM is enough to get you out to a mile or so...
ILya | Well shucks, only a mile or so?
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Tragic, isn't it?
On a more important note, the emphasis should be on the word "ideal", as in "unlikely to happen".
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Ok, so another 50+ down the tube today, I do have an issue with this scope, It needs a built in hand warmer, some way they should be able to put in a heat-sink and use the barrels heat and have it warm the Turrets, man oh man oh man was it cold.
In all seriousness. I have now put "my faith" in this brand.
I am not saying I am throwing out my other scopes just yet but I have a feeling I am going to be purchasing a few in the very near future.
Out and down and back and out through every available MOA / elevation click that I felt comfortable with with using hold over I am very happy about this purchase.
To ALL if you are worried about Sightron, you shouldn't be, while this model does not have the newer designed turrets It has thus served me WELL... THANK YOU SIGHTRON!!!!!!!!
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Posted: March/25/2011 at 19:09 |
338LAPUASLAP wrote:
Ok, so another 50+ down the tube today, I do have an issue with this scope, It needs a built in hand warmer, some way they should be able to put in a heat-sink and use the barrels heat and have it warm the Turrets, man oh man oh man was it cold.
In all seriousness. I have now put "my faith" in this brand.
I am not saying I am throwing out my other scopes just yet but I have a feeling I am going to be purchasing a few in the very near future.
Out and down and back and out through every available MOA / elevation click that I felt comfortable with with using hold over I am very happy about this purchase.
To ALL if you are worried about Sightron, you shouldn't be, while this model does not have the newer designed turrets It has thus served me WELL... THANK YOU SIGHTRON!!!!!!!!
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As I've been saying, for the money, Sightron S3 scopes offer quite a bit. You should try one with the new knobs (basically, I am out of time, so I want someone else to test one first ).
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Can you give me the exact model number so I am positive I get one with new knobs on it???
I thank you in advance.
Working a I am guessing 9-5 (probably more like 7:30-6:30) and still allowing yourself to help SWFA out and the OPTICS TALK forum members out, I hope you never get to burnt out and continue this hobby and service to the community.
I am not trying to get all mushy but you have helped more people out (while not homeless or hungry) we have been able to put the extra dollars to good use, at least I know of a few that have.
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338LAPUASLAP wrote:
Can you give me the exact model number so I am positive I get one with new knobs on it???I thank you in advance.Working a I am guessing 9-5 (probably more like 7:30-6:30) and still allowing yourself to help SWFA out and the OPTICS TALK forum members out, I hope you never get to burnt out and continue this hobby and service to the community.I am not trying to get all mushy but you have helped more people out (while not homeless or hungry) we have been able to put the extra dollars to good use, at least I know of a few that have.
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Which reticle and knobs do you want?
MOA/MOA or mil/mil?
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Posted: March/26/2011 at 21:59 |
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Posted: March/27/2011 at 15:23 |
338LAPUASLAP wrote:
Can you give me the exact model number so I am positive I get one with new knobs on it???
I thank you in advance.
Working a I am guessing 9-5 (probably more like 7:30-6:30) and still allowing yourself to help SWFA out and the OPTICS TALK forum members out, I hope you never get to burnt out and continue this hobby and service to the community.
I am not trying to get all mushy but you have helped more people out (while not homeless or hungry) we have been able to put the extra dollars to good use, at least I know of a few that have.
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I would look at these (depending on the usage you can pick different magnification ranges). All of these are SFP scopes. Some may not be available to purchase just yet, but all are coming shortly (if not here already):
To me, the 6-24x50 is the best choice for a mid-to-long range rig. I like the magnification range and the scope itself is not overly heavy or long for the configuration and it has about 28mrad of adjustment available. This is a nice scope for a bolt gun with a 300WM, for example, that you want to be fairly mobile. While there are, of course, other scopes that fit it well, this is likely the best SFP option under ~$1k, currently on the market.
The 3.5-10x44 is a DMR scope. 10x is enough to reach WAAAY out there, but with 3.5x low end and 33mrad of adjustment, it is a nice fit to the AR-15 platform among others. It is not a whole lot lighter than the 6-24x50, but is a little more compact.
8-32x56 is I think a nice match for 338LM and other cartridges intended for shooting really far away. It has about 20mrad of adjustment range. Most importantly, this is just about the only variable scope under ~$1k that is truly usable at 32x.
10-50x60, to me is a nice target scope designed for a rifle you are not going to lug around a whole lot. Adjustment range is a bit limited, although serviceable, but it has finer clicks that the others here. It is a nice F/T scope for airgunners (it focuses down to 40 feet). Magnification this high is seldom truly usable for long range shooting. It is simply too much. However, it is important for those who use the side-focus knob for range finding: ultra high magnification gives razor-thin depth of field, so an airgunner or rimfire shooter can calibrate the side-focus knob to determine the range.
Lastly, I expect the S3 line to grow by a couple more configurations within the next year or two. Once is the 1-7x24 that I already wrote about in my SHOT show report. Another, is a different configuration that has not been announced yet, but that peaked my interest.
I hope this helps.
ILya
Edited by koshkin - March/27/2011 at 15:24
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