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Thats a big honkin' scope alright, but man does it look goodWink
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Originally posted by Bigdaddy0381 Bigdaddy0381 wrote:

She is a beut.
 
Nice grill BTW, So? when We going ti fire her up?
 
 
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Thats a big honkin' scope alright, but man does it look goodWink
Thank you.  I really like it.  I will be writing up a review on the Hensoldt in the near future.  I will be comparing it to a few other scopes in various power settings.  It has a lot of capabilities, even without the SAM.  I've never been enamored of SFP scopes... but I can live with this one...
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Is it everything you imagined?  I know there is quite a bit of "hoopla" about how great the hennys' are.

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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Is it everything you imagined?  I know there is quite a bit of "hoopla" about how great the hennys' are.

 
I carried a Hensoldt on a PSG-1 for a few years and have always held them in HIGH regard... even though the one I had had some "issues"... glass was superior and overcame the technical difficulties with the illuminated reticle and I didn't like the reticle that much to begin with.  The BDC was as good as any recent developments in that area.
 
This rifle scope/telescope is all I imagined, wanted and more.  There is a "feel" about a superior engineering achievement... that it is just "right".  This rifle/scope combination has that "feel".  The PSG-1 is the only other rifle I've ever felt nearly this "in tune" with.  Kind of surreal.. "magical".  The illuminated reticle is at the top of "the best" that I've seen and I've been able to at least look at most of the ones that are out there.  In every category I've "evaluated" so far, the ZF 6-24x72 surpasses my expectations.  I've not done anything really rigorous with it, yet, but it's coming.  I'm going to put it through the full "operational test" series and we'll see how it holds up.  "Quick look" indicates it is going to be top flight. 
 
I have NO regrets, am extremely thankful to my wife, I am her "indentured servant" for as long as she wants to use me for just about anything she wants... (It was already that way, but now I kind of look for things to do for her rather than wait on her to ask me.)
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Well, after further consideration and review, I'm considering sending the Hensoldt back to Zeiss...  no matter what I do, every adjustment I can make, I STILL have to squeeze the trigger to shoot...

I mean, what the heck is it good for???



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I had hoped to take off today and make it to the range... to many meetings.  Continuing the range report will have to wait...
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Well, I did get to my "backyard range" today, but didn't shoot a lot.  I did some testing of  the adjustments at 100 meters.  I fired 12 rounds with a crosshair target just dialing up and down, left and right, starting from my dead center zero, one shot at each "click" in all 4 directions.  The clicks are certainly as accurate as I can shoot.  The ZF 6-24x72 adjustments are 1cm at 100m which is slightly different than a .1mil adjustment.  1cm is .3937 inches, .1mil is, for all intents and purposes, .36 inches.  3 1cm clicks is very nearly 1.2 inches, vs 3 .1mil clicks which is 1.08 inches.  I've not "thought" in metric in a while, at least not "pure" metric, so it adds some difficulty.  I am going to have to spend some time doing mental drills to get the old thought pathways working again.  
After fine tuning, I made a huge rookie mistake.  I had to adjust the turret cap on elevation down 1 click.  I took the cap off, set it back to zero, seated it, put the holding screw and O-ring back in, inserted the "custom" screwdriver and started tightening the screw... and let go of the cap and twisted the adjustment I don't know how many clicks.  I THINK it was only 3, but now I'll have to zero again... 
Yea, I know, THAT was DUMB.  Just DANG IT.  

The really cool thing is that even though it is a SFP reticule, I can use it relatively easily at 3 powers.  It is calibrated for ranging at 12x (those Zeiss engineers think of everything).  The graduations between the dots at 12x is 10cm at 100m.  That means 20cm at 100m at 6x and 5cm at 100m at 24x.  Those are fairly easy and convenient numbers to work with.  It's going to take some time, more time than I've spent with a single scope in quite a while.  It is worth it... I'm loving this scope more and more every time I shoot with it.  This rifle and scope were made for each other.  

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ZERO @ 100 WILL GET YOU INTO TROUBLE OUT PAST 1750YRDS HOPEFULLY YOU WILL HAVE THE ADJUSTMENT TO MAKE IT TO 2500YRDS

 Tabular trajectory data at Std.ICAO Atmosphere
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Gun / Ammunition : .338 Lapua Mag.
Bullet : .338, 300, Sierra HPBT LR MatchK 9300
Bullet weight : 300 grains or 19.44 Grams
Muzzle velocity : 2759 fps
Crosswind speed : 10 Mph
Ballistic Coefficient(s) (G1):
C1=0.755@V>2300 fps;
C2=0.747@V>1800 fps;
C3=0.737@V>0 fps;

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Sight-in clicks, 1 click = 10.0 cm/100 m or 3.937 in/100 m
Height of sight above bore axis = 4.14 cm or 1.63 inch
Gun is zeroed-in at 100 yds, by sighting-in at level firing
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Range Velo Time of Energy Path Deflection Total Sight correction Target
city flight to at crosswind drop for setting new lead
LOS of 10.0 Mph zero range 3 fps
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·Yards fps s ft.lbs. in. in. MOA in. MILS MOA yds ·
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| 0 2759 0.0000 5070 -1.6 0.0 ----- 0.0 ------ ----- 0.00
X 100 2639 0.1117 4638 0.0 0.5 0.50 2.4 0.0 0.00 0.11
| 200 2522 0.2279 4236 -3.3 1.8 0.87 9.7 +0.5 +1.60 0.22
| 300 2408 0.3486 3861 -12.0 3.9 1.25 22.4 +1.1 +3.83 0.34
| 400 2297 0.4763 3513 -26.8 7.3 1.74 41.2 +1.9 +6.41 0.47
| 500 2187 0.6108 3187 -48.3 11.8 2.26 66.8 +2.7 +9.24 0.60
| 600 2081 0.7516 2884 -77.0 17.5 2.78 99.5 +3.6 +12.27 0.73
| 700 1977 0.8978 2605 -113.1 24.1 3.28 139.7 +4.5 +15.45 0.88
| 800 1876 1.0524 2345 -158.2 32.1 3.83 188.8 +5.5 +18.90 1.03
| 900 1780 1.2180 2110 -214.2 42.1 4.47 248.8 +6.6 +22.75 1.19
| 1000 1686 1.3934 1894 -281.7 53.9 5.14 320.3 +7.8 +26.92 1.36
| 1100 1596 1.5774 1697 -361.3 67.1 5.83 403.9 +9.1 +31.38 1.54
| 1200 1509 1.7692 1518 -453.2 81.7 6.50 499.9 +10.5 +36.08 1.73
| 1300 1428 1.9719 1359 -560.6 98.3 7.22 611.3 +12.0 +41.20 1.93
| 1400 1354 2.1887 1221 -687.3 117.3 8.00 741.9 +13.6 +46.89 2.14
| 1500 1285 2.4165 1099 -833.0 138.2 8.80 891.7 +15.4 +53.05 2.36
| 1600 1221 2.6555 994 -999.8 161.1 9.62 1062.5 +17.4 +59.68 2.59
| 1700 1166 2.9072 906 -1191.7 186.3 10.47 1258.4 +19.5 +66.95 2.84
| 1800 1118 3.1700 832 -1409.6 213.4 11.32 1480.4 +21.8 +74.79 3.10
| 1900 1077 3.4435 772 -1656.0 242.4 12.18 1730.8 +24.2 +83.23 3.36
| 2000 1041 3.7269 722 -1932.2 273.2 13.04 2011.0 +26.8 +92.25 3.64
| 2100 1010 4.0195 680 -2239.8 305.5 13.89 2322.7 +29.6 +101.84 3.93
| 2200 983 4.3199 644 -2578.7 339.3 14.73 2665.6 +32.6 +111.91 4.22
| 2300 958 4.6293 612 -2952.5 374.6 15.55 3043.3 +35.6 +122.54 4.52
| 2400 936 4.9472 583 -3361.9 411.4 16.37 3456.8 +38.9 +133.71 4.83
| 2500 915 5.2715 557 -3806.3 449.3 17.16 3905.2 +42.3 +145.31 5.15




Oh yeah that's right you are not that dumb...

That and the 230gr with the .87BC would do just fine...

CAN'T wait till you are hitting steel at 2000+YRDS Hooah!!!

I am guessing you can get your hands on some nice steel to shoot at...


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There is a lot of steel lying around and Brandon gave me a 12x12x5/8 plate.  I still don't have a positive back on using the really long ranges at Redstone.  They come with their own heavy steel.  Haven't heard anything on that in while, so guess I need to check on it.  However, when I get to a longer range I will most likely zero at 500.  That gets me to just over 2000 yards without using holdover with the 230gr, if my Q&D calculations are correct.  I can get there...






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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Well, I did get to my "backyard range" today, but didn't shoot a lot.  I did some testing of  the adjustments at 100 meters.  I fired 12 rounds with a crosshair target just dialing up and down, left and right, starting from my dead center zero, one shot at each "click" in all 4 directions.  The clicks are certainly as accurate as I can shoot.  The ZF 6-24x72 adjustments are 1cm at 100m which is slightly different than a .1mil adjustment.  1cm is .3937 inches, .1mil is, for all intents and purposes, .36 inches.  3 1cm clicks is very nearly 1.2 inches, vs 3 .1mil clicks which is 1.08 inches.  I've not "thought" in metric in a while, at least not "pure" metric, so it adds some difficulty.  I am going to have to spend some time doing mental drills to get the old thought pathways working again.  
After fine tuning, I made a huge rookie mistake.  I had to adjust the turret cap on elevation down 1 click.  I took the cap off, set it back to zero, seated it, put the holding screw and O-ring back in, inserted the "custom" screwdriver and started tightening the screw... and let go of the cap and twisted the adjustment I don't know how many clicks.  I THINK it was only 3, but now I'll have to zero again... 
Yea, I know, THAT was DUMB.  Just DANG IT.  

The really cool thing is that even though it is a SFP reticule, I can use it relatively easily at 3 powers.  It is calibrated for ranging at 12x (those Zeiss engineers think of everything).  The graduations between the dots at 12x is 10cm at 100m.  That means 20cm at 100m at 6x and 5cm at 100m at 24x.  Those are fairly easy and convenient numbers to work with.  It's going to take some time, more time than I've spent with a single scope in quite a while.  It is worth it... I'm loving this scope more and more every time I shoot with it.  This rifle and scope were made for each other.  


Dan, 0.1mil at 100 meters is exactly 1cm (or as close as is feasible: 1.000000003cm).  That is actually the beauty of using mrad adjustments and reticle with metric measurements.  Everything is a multiple of ten.  
1cm at 100meters translates to being very close to 0.36" at 100yards (0.3598", technically), as long as you keep in mind that 100 yards is approximately 91.5 meters.

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ILya,
 I understand that .1mil at 100 METERS is 1cm, or so close you can't tell the difference.  .1 mil = .36in (or, once again, so close for our purposes it doesn't matter) at 100 yards.  My point WAS that I've been doing yards and to take full advantage of the scope, I need to go back to metric and not get them mixed up.  1 cm = .3937 inches no matter where it is.  Applied incorreclty, it can create an error in calculations.  I just have to keep the units straight, or change my way of thinking about it.  I haven't reread what I typed, but I was in the middle of a thunderstorm last night, if I did not make that clear enough, I'll go back and edit it.  I need to pick a measurement frame and stick with it.  I'm thinking of, highly considering, going back to metric. But if I were to confuse them in a moment of excitement, I could make the same error that crashed the first Mars lander into the surface of the planet.   I was trying to express the difficulities of transitioning between the two measurement systems...

But, thank you for pointing out that I wasn't clear in my message...



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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Well, I did get to my "backyard range" today, but didn't shoot a lot.  I did some testing of  the adjustments at 100 meters.  I fired 12 rounds with a crosshair target just dialing up and down, left and right, starting from my dead center zero, one shot at each "click" in all 4 directions.  The clicks are certainly as accurate as I can shoot.  The ZF 6-24x72 adjustments are 1cm at 100m which is slightly different than a .1mil adjustment at 100 yards.  1cm is .3937 inches, .1mil is, for all intents and purposes, .36 inches at 100 yards.  3 1cm (at 100m) clicks is very nearly 1.2 inches, vs 3 .1mil clicks (at 100 yards) which is 1.08 inches.  That is confusing reading from an "outside" point of view... my thought process was that making the mistake of mixing metrics and English measurment can create difficulties.  Too big a hurry in typing, trying to get it in before the big storm hit, I left a lot out.   I've not "thought" in metric in a while, at least not "pure" metric, so it adds some difficulty.  I am going to have to spend some time doing mental drills to get the old thought pathways working again.  Just for clarification, I was trying to draw a differentiation between thinking in metric and thinking in "English" measurement.  I see, thanks to ILya, that I left out a part of my own discussion.  There were high winds and a thunderstorm going on when I was typing this, so I did not proof it.  What I was trying to get across is that I will have to pay close attention to keep my measurements straight.  IF one confuses yards and meters and direct measurement with angular measurement the resulting errors can certainly create a "miss".  I wish we had gone to the metric system back in the '60's.  There is a "cleanness" in the metric system that we deny using the English system.  


After fine tuning, I made a huge rookie mistake.  I had to adjust the turret cap on elevation down 1 click.  I took the cap off, set it back to zero, seated it, put the holding screw and O-ring back in, inserted the "custom" screwdriver and started tightening the screw... and let go of the cap and twisted the adjustment I don't know how many clicks.  I THINK it was only 3, but now I'll have to zero again... 
Yea, I know, THAT was DUMB.  Just DANG IT.  

The really cool thing is that even though it is a SFP reticule, I can use it relatively easily at 3 powers.  It is calibrated for ranging at 12x (those Zeiss engineers think of everything).  The graduations between the dots at 12x is 10cm at 100m.  That means 20cm at 100m at 6x and 5cm at 100m at 24x.  Those are fairly easy and convenient numbers to work with.  It's going to take some time, more time than I've spent with a single scope in quite a while.  It is worth it... I'm loving this scope more and more every time I shoot with it.  This rifle and scope were made for each other.  

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After the storms quit, in the wee hours of the morning, I took the Hensoldt outside for some just general impressions in how well it performs in very low light conditions, under what lighting conditions I would be able to take a shot in the field.  Well before sunrise.  From 6 to 9 power, there is a real advantage over the unaided eye, from 10-12 there is still some advantage and it was actually improved if I turned the illumination "on" to a very low setting.  Above 12x, images begin to "fuzz up" and darken, but part of that was due to the haze/fog in the air.  I got the impression of magnifying the moisture particles in the air.  By 24x, dim unless there is a very good "backlight" behind the target.  Houses with lights on on the ridge to my east were very sharp, but features in the shadows were, well shadowy and fuzzy.  Any light behind me obliterated the sight picture with or without the IR on.  With clear air, I am certain things will improve, but it just goes to show that even with what is considered the best of glass, there is no magic.  Of course, we all already know that, but confirmation is a good thing.  Keeps us aware of the real limitations.  From a "range" perspective, in almost complete dark conditions, there was some improvement in definition of objects, out to several hundred yards.  
From a range perspective, this scope and rifle combo is quite impressive.  I am fortunate to have it.  However, the complexity of the problem, putting rounds on target, has not decreased, has in some respects increased, because I am now thinking about solutions in a different "system" than what I have been using.  
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Well, I did get to my "backyard range" today, but didn't shoot a lot.  I did some testing of  the adjustments at 100 meters.  I fired 12 rounds with a crosshair target just dialing up and down, left and right, starting from my dead center zero, one shot at each "click" in all 4 directions.  The clicks are certainly as accurate as I can shoot.  The ZF 6-24x72 adjustments are 1cm at 100m which is slightly different than a .1mil adjustment at 100 yards.  1cm is .3937 inches, .1mil is, for all intents and purposes, .36 inches at 100 yards.  3 1cm (at 100m) clicks is very nearly 1.2 inches, vs 3 .1mil clicks (at 100 yards) which is 1.08 inches.  That is confusing reading from an "outside" point of view... my thought process was that making the mistake of mixing metrics and English measurment can create difficulties.  Too big a hurry in typing, trying to get it in before the big storm hit, I left a lot out.   I've not "thought" in metric in a while, at least not "pure" metric, so it adds some difficulty.  I am going to have to spend some time doing mental drills to get the old thought pathways working again.  Just for clarification, I was trying to draw a differentiation between thinking in metric and thinking in "English" measurement.  I see, thanks to ILya, that I left out a part of my own discussion.  There were high winds and a thunderstorm going on when I was typing this, so I did not proof it.  What I was trying to get across is that I will have to pay close attention to keep my measurements straight.  IF one confuses yards and meters and direct measurement with angular measurement the resulting errors can certainly create a "miss".  I wish we had gone to the metric system back in the '60's.  There is a "cleanness" in the metric system that we deny using the English system.  


After fine tuning, I made a huge rookie mistake.  I had to adjust the turret cap on elevation down 1 click.  I took the cap off, set it back to zero, seated it, put the holding screw and O-ring back in, inserted the "custom" screwdriver and started tightening the screw... and let go of the cap and twisted the adjustment I don't know how many clicks.  I THINK it was only 3, but now I'll have to zero again... 
Yea, I know, THAT was DUMB.  Just DANG IT.  

The really cool thing is that even though it is a SFP reticule, I can use it relatively easily at 3 powers.  It is calibrated for ranging at 12x (those Zeiss engineers think of everything).  The graduations between the dots at 12x is 10cm at 100m.  That means 20cm at 100m at 6x and 5cm at 100m at 24x.  Those are fairly easy and convenient numbers to work with.  It's going to take some time, more time than I've spent with a single scope in quite a while.  It is worth it... I'm loving this scope more and more every time I shoot with it.  This rifle and scope were made for each other.  


Got it.  Now it makes more sense.  

I generally think in metric units, so for me it is a very convenient way to go.  For ranging, even if the object size is known in inches, I convert that into centimeters and do the calculations there.  For me, that is a faster way to go.

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I'm working on it... it's been a long time since I had to think metric...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SVT_Tactical Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/25/2011 at 12:08
I hate your having to stress out over it KB, go ahead and send it to me so you can go back to MOA and you won't have to confuse yourself.........  Wink
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Thank you, G.  I appreciate your concern for my welfare.  However, just think how much trouble I would be in if I got rid of a gift my wife worked so hard to get for me... it just wouldn't be fair to her and would create "issues" in my marriage... YOU wouldn't want to be the cause of the breakup of almost 32 years of marriage, would you???...
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