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Ernie Bishop
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This project has taken a lot longer to get to this point than I expected it to, but I am very pleased with the performance.
I was able to shoot this clone 10-22/MOA handgun (chambered in 22lr) for the first time this fall, but it wasn't feeding correctly. In spite of that it was shooting lights out at 50 and 100 yards. Hunting, holidays and winter time have kept me busy. The weather has been good the past two days, and I had time to run out and do some shooting. I had three different boxes of ammo. I zeroed it at 100 yards, standing, shooting off of a tripod table that was not completely stable. Got it zeroed and wrote down the MOA for drop and drift. Then we begin to guess (we were just having fun) at how much MOA it would take to get to 200 yards, then to 300, and then to 400 yards. We went from one brand of ammo to the next in the midst of this, and all three brands were shooting great. A local game warden (He is the one I called about the goose") was there and put three in one elongated hole (sub 1/4 MOA) at 100 yards. First time he had ever shot it-He was happy for sure. He also shot it at 200 with very consistent hits. My spotter, (Miles) shot it also and hit with relative ease at 200 yards on steel. When I got on steel at 400 yards Chuck (Mac's Gunworks) called a center hit and I quickly sent another. Tried a third shot but it had jammed. Those two shots measured 1.5" at 400 yards. Chuck also told me I had 4 shots at 300 around 2" Spotting was done with 5-22 NXS scope that was mounted on a custom 7mm SAUM Rifle, and a Leupold 12-40 spotting scope By the time we got the fire shell out conditions had changed. There were about 8 people in all out there this afternoon shooting. Action is a MOA clone 10-22 action that Rich makes http://www.moaguns.com/ Barrel is a threaded Green Mountain. Laminated stock is one of Rich's. Just put a quick finish on it. Will round off some of the lines in the future. Kidd trigger. Picatinny rail by Rich. Scope is Leupold VX-3 LR/T 6.5-20 With ART Reticle. The ART Reticle made it so easy to get on target with, and make quick adjustments trying to get the MOA correct when making 100 yard jumps. I should have chronoed the ammo, and had an idea of BC, but we were just out having fun. After were finished at distance, I went back to 100, re-zeroed and slipped my dials. Didn't have time to take it to 500 yards, but don't really see that being an issue given the accuracy we are getting. Pics are not good, but give you an idea. I really had fun. This will be a great wind teaching SP for sure :thumbup: |
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That's pretty impressive Ernie! My factory 10/22 rifle won't print sub-moa at 100 yards pretty much no matter what I feed it. Probably going to trade it off for a Savage bolt action.
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I have a Savage Bolt action the Marlin bolt action I had prior to it shot better.
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Cool write up Ernie. NIce looking handgun too.
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Dale Clifford
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Nice gun. What ammo did you end up with, as with 22lr its usually the most difficult factor. How are you handling the sonic transition especially with a handgun thats probably shooting sub in the first place?
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Really nice rig and shooting man. Be curious as to what ammo you used. I've got a couple of 10/22's that I have tricked out, but nowhere near what you have. I'm thinking about picking up one of the 1:9 twist barrels to shoot 60 grain bullets with. UFrynd I hear ya on the old marlin vs the new savage. I've got an old Marlin .22 mag bolt gun that is a tack driver and a new Savage .17 hm2 bolt gun that I'm thus far unimpressed with. I'm holding out hope that I find the right load for the .17 hm2 and get good groups. "I've crossed Eley off the list, and now have a couple of boxes of CCI, Remington, and Hornady to try out" If it won't group good with any of those, I'll sell it at a gun show. The old Marlin, well it will be passed down to my kids and hopefully theirs. It groups good with whatever I feed it, even the cheap stuff. |
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It is kind of amazing when you think about most .22 ammo even out of a long barrel starts out right at the transsonic boundary - 1300 FPS. I shoot my Savage a lot but mostly just @ 100 yards. It has a fixed 4X scope so spotting 200 or 300 yards shots would require a spotting scope and someone to observe. So I haven't ever tried any ballistics analysis on .22 rimfire. Might have to play around with that.
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Reaction time is a factor...
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Dale Clifford
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starting around 1100 fps a 22 with a bc of .125 will need 15 mils at 300 yds. Just curious if a moa rail was used or not.
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Ernie, you have some of the most wonderful "handguns"... great pictures, BTW. Impressive.
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Love to see those cool handguns, Ernie.
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Ernie Bishop
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The ammo I used: Remington Club XTRA (manufactured by Eley LTD), Federal Gold Medal Match, Federal Champion.
I have had several ask how I was able to shoot this far or how do I get so much MOA. I hope this answers the questions. We were shooting on a 1200 yard steel range that is just outside Chuck's shop, Mac's Gunworks. He has a backer for paper targets at 100 and 200 yards. Steel starts at 200 out to 1200 yards in 100 yard increments. First, I had a sloped picatinny rail made, as I had this put together with distance in mind. Second, I am using a 30 mm tube Leupold LR/T. Third, it has Holland's ART reticle in it http://www.hollandguns.com/ Click on Advanced Reticle Technology. Holland' reticle is my favorite for LR shooting. MOA is internally listed in 3 MOA increments, with a dash/line every 1.5 MOA. This made it very easy and fast to get on target when not knowing BC or MV. Then once I got to 24 MOA, I dialed from that point on, using the 24 MOA line as my aiming point. When going to 500, if I run out of MOA adjustment, I will add Burris Signature Zee Rings (can put on 20 MOA there) or have a another sloped rail built. Shooting distance (after doing your homework and getting your shooting system put together correctly) is more of an issue of what you believe you can or cannot do, than what can actually be done. You have to be willing to fail to succeed in what many believe to be impossible or highly unlikely. If you are shooting ammo that is sub sonic, then transonic and subsonic are not an issue. One ammo box said 1240 fps, while another one said, 1080, no clue on Remmy/Eley. As I mentioned earlier, have not chronoed it yet, and was simply seeing what I could do. |
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I didn't know that was on their website. Thanks!
Nice surprise. Erik and I were in some Berger ads in gun magazines a year or two ago, but I did not know they had moved it to their site.
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Ernie
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Ernie Bishop
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The action was set-up in a "fixed" rest, and then three different brands of barrels were used:
Benchmark, Douglas, and Green Mountain. The Green Mountain out shot both of them-Guess which one I decided to use? Also, the Clone 10-22 action has the capability for you to use a threaded barrel in stead of the typical 10-22 arrangement.
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you did what with a 22lr, in a pistol no less
dude, you are the man with the hand cannons! |
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Ernie Bishop
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I think most people would be shocked/surprised what they could do with a properly set-up rig.
As a friend said who was visiting with a new wannabe to LR shooting this morning, "The biggest limitation to LR shooting is the 6 inches between your ears." We are not anything special. We have to put our pants on in the morning like everyone else. E |
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your special if you live in wyoming imo, course i may be a little biased. |
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a 10mph wind, usually low for wyoming, will give you 10 moa wind drift at 300 yds. assuming its constant. Didn't catch if the leupy was ffp or sfp.
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Ernie Bishop
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Scope is a SFP.
Sorry, I forgot to mention that. |
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Here in Montana we talk about how many "special" people are in Wyoming ... |
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