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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Hard to beat a 5R.


I have a GAP non-typical hunter, fit and finish and detail are perfect - as well they should be.  It is a beautiful rifle and shoots quite well.

For a tactical gun, I'd be hard pressed to recommend custom when a 5R can be had.  Hell, tweak it if you want, put it in a better stock, and you are still under what a full custom would cost.

Several of my tac guns are 700s with trued bolts, improved (mostly Timney) triggers, external mags, and improved stocks.  Get tnuts if you want and put on a better barrel, but it's hard to be a factory 700 that shoots well.  Herein lies the conundrum: you might get a 700 that shoots 1/2MOA out of the box, or you might get one that shoots 1.5MOA out of the box.  You either get a great deal or an OK deal.  For a custom (like GAP or McMillan or "other"), if it doesn't shoot 1/2MOA, you send it back and have them fix it.  You pay for the certainty of getting a very accurate gun.

Personally, I'd get a 5R in a Manners T5A with their new chassis (total $2000 all in), maybe a Timney trigger ($200) and be done.  it'll be a tack driver and fit like a glove.

Voice of experience.  And the voice of someone who has owned (and very much likes) GAP rifles.


The one i had put together from SC is a factory 700 and with 168 grain Sierra Matchkings i can drill 1/2 MOA all day.  Lucky, as i know people who have 700's that shoot over 1", just like you stated.
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I have yet to hear of any of the Rem 5R's that are not real shooters. I have a 5R in .308 and all I did was change the trigger to a Rifle Basics trigger. It is one of the most accurate shooters I own, just after my JP. But it seems that with the other Rem's it is a luck of the draw.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dale Clifford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/11/2011 at 16:59
surgeon, or stiller will build you one, but you really haven't given much detail as type of stock, action etc. you want. If you want a .5 moa 300 out of the box and no headaches in or with the build, just get a TRG, you can't beat the trigger (except maybe a Hueber). With the money your talking I'd look and windrunner and DTA. Hardcore precision tacticals are big and heavy, if you still want to hunt with it, consider a caliber change and look at the Savage long range hunter in 6.5/284 which will shoot with any 300, if not better, and with their new stock bedding system should provide a good alternative to their old ones. Personally I'd get the DTA (Desert Tactical Arms).
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I'd like a tactical stock for this build, and i'm looking at a long action (300WM). I like everything i've heard about the 5R rifling and i'm leaning towards that route. A 1-10 or 1-11 twist rate if i go another route. Just about everyone i've talked to said those are the twist rates to go for on a 300WM. 
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one of the best bullets i've ran for target have been the 208 AMAX, that said they haven't performed well on game, or to my liking at least.  I tried 210 berger, 220 SMK, 240 SMK, and a bunch more but the 208AMAX wins when it comes to target.  My twist is a 10 and it stablized everything I tried.  I would shoot for a 10 twist if i where you but an 11 has been known to stablize the 208 as well.
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I have to be honest, the GAP base model is very appealing. 1/2 guarantee, with the ability to put just about any combination together for under 3k. 
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Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

I'd like a tactical stock for this build, and i'm looking at a long action (300WM). I like everything i've heard about the 5R rifling and i'm leaning towards that route. A 1-10 or 1-11 twist rate if i go another route. Just about everyone i've talked to said those are the twist rates to go for on a 300WM. 
Only advantage in the 5r barrel over a custom tube is the POSSIBILITy it will clean better. A 1-10 or quicker is better if you decide on anything over 200 gr. especially if you decide on the 210 berger. I use a lot of 155 gr Amax and Scenar at 3300 fps in my TRG which pretty much kick ass on any of the 175 thru 190 and match the 210 bergers for long range without the muzzle flip. Your barrel life will run about 1800 rd. regardless of the barrel 5r or not, for precision. If your buying a stock gun of the shelf the choice between getting a 5r rem. and a plain rem. may be a consideration but in a custom tube doesn't matter.Why don't you consider a progressive twist Pac-Nor or one of the eastern builders?
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Thanks for the input Dale. As always, it's spot on and great info. I've seen a lot of outfits putting 1-12 and 1-11 which turns me off a bit. Obviously i'm sure they would be willing to fit any barrel i wanted, but in the magnums i'm a bit surprised to see slower twist rates standard. 
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Kenny Jarrett in SC is a great long distance rifle builder--bean field rifle--check out his site.  His low end gun is about double what you stated, but his rifles are superb.  He has a 300 Jarrett with great ballistics--works up the custom loads and guarantees accuracy.
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http://www.jarrettrifles.com/
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If your are really wanting the 5r rifling I believe Bartlein, Kreiger and Rock Creek all do the 5r rifling.  Bartlein does progressive twists as well.

GAP really likes Bartlein barrels and I think he uses them most of the time. 
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if you want a custom built chris mathews at longshot rifles is the man , but if you want to shoot long range id suggest looking at a savage lrpv or a model 12 varmint they willl do all you need. i have a 300 ultramag that i shoot long range ocassionally,and its too much gun. too expensive.ive been eyeballing the savage lrpv 6mm norma br.alot of mathes have been won by this caliber,as its big brother the 30 br. the 6.5s have a good bc you might think about one of them, and of course its all senseless unless your a handloader
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Not to steel this thread, but what is a progressive twist and what benefits does it provide?
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Bartleins description of "T-style" transitional rifling. Same as progressive twist rate. Basically they start out at a slower twist rate at the chamber end than at the muzzle. Some lathe turned solids that are long, and require very fast twist rates respond well to this type of rifling, as I'm sure there are other uses.
 

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I have a buddy that I worked with in Washington thats coming down here, LA, that has a Surgeon with a NightForce on top, and he absolutely loves it. I have seen in only once, but it was a sweet rifle. I think his build alone though was around 6 or 7K with glass.
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Many, many builder & options out there, so try this.
Scour the pawn shops. If you live in a big city, or have casinos in your area, you're bound to run across a deal on a rifle.
I prefer Rems over anything factory you'll find out there, plus a well used action will benefit you over a brand new one. Pull the action and trash the rest.

Find the stock you like. There are some good sites on the web that I won't mention by name.

Don't sweat an aftermarket trigger, a good smith can tune a Rem trigger to perfection. We're gonna build this thing without breaking the bank.

Order you a barrel, contuer of choice, you know all the good ones out there.A Douglas might save you a few bucks and go 26" for the .300.

Take your goodies to the builder. Let him do building, not the shopping too.
You can do this for not a whole lot of cabbage. If you want to splurge, my suggestion would be to have someone Cerekote the metal parts before the build. Trust me, the more resistant you make this rifle to the elements, the happier you'll be.
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