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10 &
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50
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42
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Now for
some more direct (i.e. more subjective) observations:
With the
exception of the magnification-switching lever on the front of the binocular
the SP looks pretty much identical to other GR binoculars. I chose the brown rubber armored model so as
to match with my 10-15x30 GR spotting scope.
I have read a lot of negatives about the look of the brown rubber
armoring on the GRs and I think that such complaints are nonsense. The brown
goes perfectly well with the muted colors and camo patterns that are common in
the hunting fields and is certainly as attractive as Swarovski’s choice of
green. For those more-fashion-conscious
individuals, Leupold does offer the SP with black rubber armor.
The SP
works by adding in an additional lens element that moves into place when you
flip the switch located on the top of the binocular just below the focus ring.
You can actually see the extra lens move into place. An interesting note here is that, despite the
required mechanics and the need for this lens element to be able to move out of
the way, the SP’s barrel dimensions are really very thin; as thin as any other
similarly-sized binocular and thinner than many, including Leupold’s own
single-magnification GRs.
The SP is
truly a dual magnification. You have either
10x or 17x. There is no “zoom”
functionality. The magnification switch is positive and tactile. It is not hard to move but, it does not flop
around on its own either. The hinge for setting interpupillary distance is firm
and does not readily move by itself. The diopter adjustment is a click-set unit
that is located on the right barrel. It is plenty stiff and will not move by
itself once set. There is a dished out area in the rubber armor on each barrel
in which to rest your thumbs. The inevitable branding is subtle and done in
good taste (unlike say, Burris, who makes you carry around a veritable billboard
with their name plastered in the largest possible lettering).
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Accessories
Let’s
proceed with a discussion about the accessories. The SP came with a nice,
properly-sized, padded-cordura nylon case with a zipper top. I really like it, except that the back-side
seam pulled out of its stitches almost immediately. My bag for my GR spotting scope is similar in
construction and materials and has held up really well so; I’m not too worried
about it. I just happened to get one that had an unseen flaw. It happens. Leupold is making a proper replacement and all
will be fine.
The binocular
comes with two sets of interchangeable eyecups. The first has the simple, flat
edges that are traditional in binoculars. The other set has “wings” for helping
to shut out stray light. I wear
eyeglasses at all times so; this second set is unusable for me, but for someone
who has better eyesight and/or who wears contact lenses, this could be an
excellent option.
The SP also
comes with both a neoprene neck strap and a binocular harness. Each is equipped
with quick-disconnect buckles which you would think would be done to allow you
to easily switch between the two, depending on which would be best for a given
activity. But no, the buckles for each
one is actually sized differently! For
the life of me I can’t figure out why that would be. Not only would having them
the same size allow for greater versatility, it would also cost less and be
less of a logistical problem than having to purchase multiple sizes of buckles.
Someone at Leupold wasn’t thinking very clearly.
Since they
can’t be easily interchanged and since the whole concept of the binocular harness
is an idea that is, at least for me, very limited in its usefulness, I have
elected to use the neoprene neck strap.
It is very wide and very comfortable.
I like it.
Stay on
objective lens covers come standard and again, I like them a lot. Sometimes I forget to flip them down and I
look like an idiot bringing up binoculars to my eyes that are covered, but I’m
used to looking dumb and I like the protection from dust, snow, fingers, etc.
that these offer the glass. They are
keepers.
The rubber
so-named “rain-guard” that is supposed to hang from the neck strap and allow
for covering the eyepieces to provide them with similar dust, snow, fingers,
etc. protection is not nearly as well designed as the objective lens
covers. It does not stay put when placed
and it gets in the way often so; I pretty much don’t use that accessory at all,
except when the binocular is put away in its case. When I need to protect the
eyepieces, I slip the binocular under my jacket.
Finally,
the SP sports a proper tripod mounting screw hole for use with an appropriate
adapter. This is a feature that was
removed from the regular GRs in favor of a “interpupillary distance lock” which
I never liked at all. It was never a really
solid lock and it constantly came unlocked making it basically useless. Even with low magnifications, I like being
able to mount my binocular to a tripod and this is so much more important with
a binocular like this one that is offering the opportunity to use a 17x
magnification.
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Of course,
the basic premise behind the SP binocular (and the Duovid for that matter) is
to give the viewer the option of scanning at low power until an object of
interest is found and then, with the flip of a switch, increasing the
magnification to get a better look. The
SP does this very well. Let’s take a
look at some of the basic comparative elements:
Exit Pupil
(EP)
The SP offers the same 4.2mm EP as most “standard” 10x42
binoculars carried by untold numbers of very serious hunters. It is more than
bright enough to serve at well before and well after any legal hunting hours in
North America. If you are going to hunt in Europe
or elsewhere where night hunting might be a possibility, then you might want
bigger objectives. The 2.47mm EP @ 17x
is about on par with most 10x “mini” binoculars and if it’s too dim to see the animal
of interest through these binoculars at this magnification, then you are either
too late or too early to be hunting just yet. Besides, if it really is too dark @ 17x, then
you still have the option of viewing at 10x.
The Duovid beats out the SP here, but only at the cost of significantly
increased weight and bulk.
Field of
View (FoV)
At 10x the FoV is narrower than what I am accustomed to enjoying. In fact it is significantly narrower than the
420 ft FoV of my up-till-now primary binocular, an 8x42 Porro prism B&L
Discoverer. However, it is still on par with the only truly comparable glass,
the Duovid, as well as with many other 10x binoculars. What’s more important is
that it is entirely useable in the field and actually much less noticeable than
I expected, except under direct, side-by-side comparison. At 17x the 136x FoV is similar to many
spotting scopes at the same magnification and that’s good as this magnification
is intended primarily to be used as a spotting scope substitute.
Eye Relief
(ER)
In truth, I find the ER to be a bit too long, giving me
black outs when I use the binocular with the eyecups in the fully-down position
that is (was) my norm. The eyecups do have
an intermediate setting that mitigates this problem but, ideally I would have
liked Leupold to shorten the ER just a bit. In doing so they might have been
able to increase the FoV a bit – which also would have been nice.
Physical
Size
These binoculars are much smaller, both in size and weight,
than other GR binoculars. This is good
for the neck after long hours of carrying them and not so good for maintaining
the very most stable image. Of course, they can be mounted to a tripod which
solves this problem, if you can stand to carry a tripod around. These
binoculars are much more comparable in size and weight to many other popular
binocular lines.
Magnification
I have read many different things where authors, some amateurs
and some professionals, try to wax profound about the pros and cons of higher
and lower magnifications. Higher
magnifications help you get closer – which is the very point of having
binoculars. Low magnifications allow (theoretically) for steadier viewing. I
have used both types rather extensively and am perfectly happy with either
one. You may, however, infer from my
choice of SP models which side of the “how much is enough/too much
magnification” argument I personally have settled on. Leupold does offer a 7&12x32 model for
anyone whose opinion in this matter differs from mine.
As an aside, I do still remain firmly convinced that the MSRP of a given binocular is a pretty good indication of how much
magnification it can reasonably support.
I believe that, when speaking of a “primary” binocular and if you
are going to pay under $700 retail for a roof prism (or under $350 retail for a
Porro prism), then you should generally opt for the lower 7x-8x options and
avoid 10x+ magnifications.
Aberrations
I will forever be willing to strangle the guy that taught me
how to easily see Chromatic Aberration (CA) and, except for people who have
some professional need to see it, I now always recommend people try to remain
as blissfully ignorant of such techniques as possible. Such people, if CA is really bad in a
particular optic, will still see it but, they won’t be bothered with endless
niggling over small amounts that can’t be seen unless carefully looked for and
which are in EVERY binocular they will ever handle, no matter the price. I, on
the other hand, have had no end of frustrations as I have tried not to see CA in optics over the
years.
That said, CA in the SP is very well controlled; at least as
well as any other non-HD binocular I have seen and better than most – and the
differences even between this and HD binoculars are very, very small.
Focus becomes a bit soft toward the outer edges of the
field, again similar to what I’ve seen in other high end binocul
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Conclusion
In short, the SP is a great binocular. It is offered by an American company and is designed
and assembled here in the USA. Leupold offers the very best warranty in the
business with an unmatched history of customer service to back that up. Optically the SP is as good as and perhaps
better than any binocular in its price class and, due largely to its
versatility, is perhaps better than others costing significantly more.
The SP offers a degree of versatility in its dual
magnifications that is unmatched, except in binoculars costing so much that
only a select few people can/will afford to buy them – and even if you are one
of those few people, you do so at the additional cost of greater bulk and an inferior
warranty. Having given this dual-power
idea a try, I would find it difficult and distasteful to go back to binoculars
offering only a single magnification option.
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Lucznik:
Nice work, and good to see the review on how these dual powers work.
Looking at your first post, I am thinking you may have the price of these reversed , or I will
be very quick to order a Leica !
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Nope, not a price reversal, but rather a brand/model name reversal.
My bad - goes to show what happens when you don't do a proper editing.
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Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but when i looked through my GR HD 10X42, and then the SP on 10x, there's no comparison in the view.
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JG:
Which one is better? I respect your opinion.
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Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but when i looked through my GR HD 10X42, and then the SP on 10x, there's no comparison in the view. |
You're not raining on anyone's parade. If you saw something different than I, that's fair. Let's hear it.
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Lucznik,
Excellent and enjoyable review. I think I will finally have to get my hands on a pair of these.
JG,
No comparison?
It seems that both binoculars should be of a quality build at least. Both should be able to reasonably resolve objects. Did one show more of some type (all types?) of aberration than the other? Was the disparity in field of view too great to consider other areas of performance? Was one lacking in resolution, contrast, field flatness, astigmatism, etc.?
It seems most reviews of the Switchpower and GR HD lines have been pretty positive.
I am interested in this binocular and how it stacks up against the mid-price leaders. I would be willing to give up some extreme levels of performance to gain the flexibility of a dual power binocular.
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Matt, I agree with you. I like the concept, but have always been leery of a switch power binocular. The more I think about this, the more I realize that I don't have any issues with a variable power rifle scope, so why wouldn't a switch power binocular give acceptable results. This has peeked my interest and I'll give them a look the next time I'm at the sporting goods store.
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I just picked up a pair of the 7x12 SP a few weeks back from the sample list. I like them a lot. For the wooded areas here in Western WA, they work out very well.
Thanks for the W/U (write up).
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By no comparison I mean optically, the GR HD's are much brighter, and have a much greater FOV. The optics in the HD are fantastic, on par with my SLCneu. They trump the SP in contrast, resolution, brightness, and especially FOV. I believe it's something like 265ft/1000yds vs 335ft/100yds......a very significant difference and very noticable. The view through the GR just jumps out at you, the SP's did not. When going back and forth between the two the SP seemed to have a rather dull view. I was impressed with the build of both, and the more I use the GR HD the more I compare the build to the toughest bino ever made IMO the trinovid. The 17x in the SP was useless to me without a tripod.
As I said, I'm not trying to be argumentative, and I'm not saying it's not usable. But when compared to a regular 10x bino it was very obvious to me.
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I have the 7/12x32 SP. They are nice @7x and somewhat fuzzy @ 12x. I think in this instance they would have been better off to go with a 6/10x32, a 8/12x42 and a 10/15x50. I think they try to get too much magnification with too little glass at the high end. An EP of 2.5-2.6 is not enough IMO. The 12x is more useful than I thought it might be with its small size, but the 7x is not a lot different from the Swift 7x36. You are better off with a good 10x42 for long distance. However the concept of a dual power is decent enough.
I think the 7x is a little less quality image than the 8x32 GR. But I have only looked at the 10/17 in dealers displays. It always seemed light for 17x.
You will have to give up some fov for the SP concept. Nature of the beast it seems.
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JGRaider wrote:
By no comparison I mean optically, the GR HD's are much brighter, and have a much greater FOV. The optics in the HD are fantastic, on par with my SLCneu. They trump the SP in contrast, resolution, brightness, and especially FOV. I believe it's something like 265ft/1000yds vs 335ft/100yds......a very significant difference and very noticable. The view through the GR just jumps out at you, the SP's did not. When going back and forth between the two the SP seemed to have a rather dull view. I was impressed with the build of both, and the more I use the GR HD the more I compare the build to the toughest bino ever made IMO the trinovid. The 17x in the SP was useless to me without a tripod.
As I said, I'm not trying to be argumentative, and I'm not saying it's not usable. But when compared to a regular 10x bino it was very obvious to me.
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You bring up some valid observations. I've only had the GR SP for about a month now so; I haven't had the ability to directly compare it to a lot of optics, mostly just my 8x42 Porro prism Discoverer, a friend's 10x42 Cabelas Euro (made by Meopta), and another friend's 10x42 Nikon Monarch. Of the three the Euro is the most directly comparable and I just didn't see what you have seen. I would love to compare the SP directly with a Duovid but, in my neck of the woods, Leica's are profoundly unpopular. In fact, I don't know a single person who owns one at all - and I work with doctors and surgeons so; there's no problem with their ability to afford them. To address the specific issues you brought up, when comparing (briefly) the Euro and Monarch and (more extensively) the Discoverer to the Switch Power my observations were that: - Brightness - At 10x I have seen no noticeable difference in brightness at all between the more expensive two and the Monarch was only slightly behind. The 8x Discoverer is brighter, as expected, but not so much that there is any meaningful advantage to it in normal hunting situations.
- FoV - The difference between the GR SP's 262 ft and the Euro's 330 is noticeable; so much more so the much larger gap to get to the Discoverer's 420 ft. FoV. However, as mentioned, I only really notice the difference when set up for direct side-by-side comparisons. Part of this, I'm sure, is due to the SP's large "Apparent FoV." You are, evidently, more sensitive to this than I, which is totally fair and legitimate. It is interesting to note, however, that at a more common 100-yd viewing distance, the difference in FoV between your SLC and the SP is only about 7 feet and the difference between the SP and the more-directly-comparable (and hugely more expensive) Leica Duovid is only 1.2 feet.
- Contrast & Resolution - I have not made any measurable, definitive comparisons of either contrast or resolution (and very likely never will) but I'll also bet no one else has either. My informal viewing both with this binocular as well as with many others over the years tells me that there are no great differences between any of the various high quality makes/models available on the market and what is perceived as such has much more to do with an individual's personal biases and brand preferences (and perhaps a little bit with their eyesight) than to any demonstrable reality. I'm not making any accusations here; just pointing out that I've met no one who can put measurable, objectively-defined numbers to their claims.
- 17x usefulness - I think I mentioned that 17x is best used with a tripod. However, to call it "useless" without a tripod is, I think, intellectually dishonest. There are lots of ways to steady an optic without a tripod and even just hand held the 17x magnification can allow you to see more than you could without it. I know this flies in the face of the assertions of others, including some who are considered "experts" in the field like John Barsness (whose book on optics I own and have read numerous times), and I respect such opinions. I just don't entirely agree with them.
As an aside and as a general rule, I personally have been rather unimpressed with Swarovski's SLC's
(both old and new) as well as their ELs. Oh, to be sure, there is
nothing overtly wrong with them or their performance level, but I just
have never seen any clear advantage to them over other quality, though
somewhat lesser-priced, optics. In fact, the only reason I was willing to spend the money to move away from my much-less-expensive Porro prism binocular was to gain the added versatility of the dual magnifications. If it weren't for that, there is currently nothing that any single-power binocular offers that is worth (IMO) the extra cost. Although not technically correct, in today's nomenclature, the use of the word "trump" usually
connotes a high level of superiority and, if we are accepting such as
part of the definition, then Swarovski's (of whatever model), while admittedly better, don't "trump" even the $300 Nikon Monarch.
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JG,
Thanks for clarifying your position. So we have one set of eyes saying the GR HDs knock the pants off the SP, and another saying the SPs keep up with the Meopta Meostar (err Cabelas Euro).
Now I have owned GRs and own Meostars and prefer the Meoptas to the GRs. Only one thing to do: find a pair of SP binoculars for T&E.
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I'd sure be interested in your take also. Strictly talking fixed binos, I usually find the differences minimal between the many excellent $500-$900 glass and the so called alphas, and it usually boils down to ergos as to what I really prefer. For instance, I do not like the yellowish bias of the meopta/cabelas euro as compared to some, or the diopter that really doesn't "lock" and sits atop the focuser, but that's just me. I'm certainly no expert, I just like great glass. I could go hunt with an Elite, SLC, GR HD, Zen ED2, Meopta, Nikon LX, Steiner Preregrine, and other mid priced stuff and not fell underglassed for sure.
I respectfully disagree with the OP's assumption of the SLCneu.......they are superb.... This is not the end all/be all of binocular testing, but I thought it was pretty interesting:
http://www.allbinos.com/allbinos_ranking-binoculars_ranking-10x42.html
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I respectfully disagree with the OP's assumption of the SLCneu.......they are superb.... |
Totally fair. If we all agreed on such things, we'd all be fighting over acquiring the same exact binoculars - and then we'd have nothing to discuss.
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After doing some more reading, I think I may be using this term wrong. I'm not sure how exactly to describe this without pictures but, I'll try... When viewing through any binocular the FoV is surrounded by a circle of black. To me at least, in some binoculars, this black circle appears thicker than it does in others - even though their published FoV may be the same. In binoculars where this black circle is thicker, I experience higher levels of "tunnel vision" and the FoV appears to be narrower, even though it's not. In binoculars where this black circle is narrower, the FoV seems more open and appears to be wider, again, even though it's not. One of the best examples I can remember of this would be between a 10x42 Pentax DCF WP and a 10x42 Nikon Monarch where the Nikon just seemed wider, despite virtually identical FoV (315 ft vs. 314 ft respectively). In such cases, I know what I am experiencing is an optical illusion as the Fields of View are the same, but that doesn't change the fact that the one appears to have a wider, more comfortable FoV than the other. I have always used the term "apparent field of view" to describe this phenomenon, but it seems that I was doing so in error. I don't know what the best term would be to describe the effect, perhaps "perceived FoV" or "perceived openness?" Whatever that may be, I apologize for any confusion I may have caused with my mixing of terms.
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