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tompac
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Posted: December/20/2010 at 13:21 |
Anyone done any comparisons between the Nikon Monarch and Vortex razor scopes?
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SVT_Tactical
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they arent' in teh same league the Razor is far superior
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lucytuma
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The vipor is more in line with the monarch.
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Bitterroot Bulls
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Monarch to Razor
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Monarch is nowhere near as good.
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tompac
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Just curious. I know some people slam the Monarch Binoculars. But I have to say that the pair I own is very clear and I consider them a lot of "bang for my buck".
I own a Viper scope and while it is pretty good for the money, it is not close to a Monarch. Hence the question about the Razor.
BTW Bitterroot, have you got a chance to look thru the new Zen Ray spotting scope? Would like to hear your views comparing it to your Razor.
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lucytuma
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It is not accurate to compare a scope to bair of binoculars to a scope or spotter. We were assuming that you wanted a comparison on rifle scopes. On the other hand the Razor bino will eat the Monarchs lunch.
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tompac
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I am wanting a comparison of the two rifle scopes. The reference to the Monarch binoculars? I was told by several different people on this board that I was making a bad decision to purchase the Monarch binoculars back when i bought them. and they were wrong. Excellant quality for the money.
I bought a Viper scope this year when Vortex reduced the price. And it is OK. Nothing to write home about. Next year i am planning on making another scope purchase and was curious about the Razors. I have friends that have Monarchs, so I know what to expect there. And I am not ruling out a Conquest. And since I have almost no chance of looking thru different scopes, I rely heavily on internet boards such as this one.
And BTW, if money was not an issue, the decision on what optics to buy would be easy. It would start with a Z and cost beau-ceau bucks. The reality of the situation is that money is a factor.
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Palehorse
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I did actually find a stocking dealer with all the Viper line in a neat display (this guy always seems to get what's hot, after its not).
Anyway, there they were, on a neat little plastic Vortex display.
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outlawskinnyd
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the problem i have with the monarch is that when lookin through the glass the sight picture is surrounded by the thick black ring from the eye piece.
when i look through my leupold vx2 or my friends weaver classic (which i am about to make a post on bc its so good its stupid) i see the sight picture and around the sight picture i see a very nice thin black outline that represents the rifle scope im looking through. i get a nice big sight picture as a result. when i look through my monarch i see the sight picture but around it is so thick that i actually see less of a sight picture then i do the leupold. the weaver is a 38mm obj and i see about a little more than i do my 40mm monarch. its very annoying to me. i mean ive tried a conquest which has the rubber eye piece and its no obtrusive the way nikon did it. as far as monarch's glass is concerned its good...its no where near what everyone makes it out to be though. i got the ucc for $199 and is that scope worth $199, yes. is the monarch 2.5-10 worth over $300, hell no. ive never tried the viper before, i have a strike fire and i love it. if i was choosing between a monarch and a viper, i would gamble and go for the viper over the monarch. i have enough confidence that vortex did the right thing.
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Bitterroot Bulls
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tompac,
To respond I will have to go a little off-topic from your OP. I hope that's OK. The only Razor riflescopes currently available are the 5-20X50 and 1-4. They are both top-tier scopes and in a totally different price bracket than the Monarch riflescopes. Compared directly, the Razors are much better scopes, and should be, given the expense. It seems you have come to your own conclusion regarding the Viper riflescopes vs. Monarch riflescopes debate. My opinion is that they are close competitors with the Vipers winning on value and warranty. I am glad you like your Monarch binoculars. I haven't looked through any in about a year, just because there are so many good options in the price range now. I remember the last Monarchs I looked through (ATB 8X42) being kind of soft, showing field curvature, and having an extremely narrow field of view. They also readily showed CA, although I am quite sensitive to it. If I remember right the FOV was the same through the 8X42 Monarch as my 10X42 Meoptas. If they have improved lately, maybe I should take another look. I would be interested in doing a side-by-side comparison of the Zen Ray spotter and my Razor HD. Perhaps I will see if it would be possible to Test Drive. |
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outlawskinnyd
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and if you wanna dive into binoculars, i looked through the monarchs and the redfields, walked outside and looked through the redfields and monarch, breathed on the front of the lens (the way someone does when trying to clean their glasses, you know to fog em up) and looked through both...
i got the redfield's. and saved $225 in the process...there was no difference... i will admitt that this forum is a vortex fanboy forum. in almost every post i see vortex as a suggestion. at first i thought this was bad...then i realized everyone who is reccommending them actually owns them. its a crap shoot. i think the bushnell elite is better than monarch. id take the elite over vortex viper. but that isnt in the equation here. and inbetween the two that are, id go viper. |
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Bitterroot Bulls
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Vortex Fanboy ...
That should be an Optics Talk Group. Then replace Optics Grasshopper with Leupold Addict. |
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outlawskinnyd
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hahaha
i think its less fanboy now and more that its just a good scope.
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grimreaper21
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tompac
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Bitterroots, thanks for your response. I have enjoyed reading your reviews here. Not sure what scope I will end up buying next year. I bought the 2-7x 32mm Viper this year and it is an ok scope. Put it on a new-to- me 110 in .308. Probably will transfer it to my old Ruger 44 carbine that currently has a cheapo Bushnell on it. I do want a bigger objective for the .308. I have an older Elite 4000 on my Marlin 444 and even though optics have improved a lot since that scope was made, it is good enough that I will look at the Elite 4200. Anyway, going to keep an open mind. The biggest problem I have, and this goes for buying any optics, is other than Mack's in Stuttgart and Sports Academy in Lttle Rock, there is nowhere to go look thru different brands. And even those stores generaaly just carry a couple of different cheap scopes or binoculars, a couple in the mid range, and usually a couple of Alphas. And spotting scopes???? Usually a very cheap model and one of the Leopolds. So I depend a LOT on reviews of people like yourself.
Intend on buying a spotter next year. Be my first. And you have sold me on the Razor. Only thing is, it will be my first spotter and I am not willing to drop 1600.00 right now. Probably will wind up purchaseing The Celestron Regal 80. Not Alpha glass by any means, but the lady over at competitor really liked this scope. Good glass for the money. more or less put it optically with the Pentax PF80. I AM going to go ahead and buy a good tri-pod.
Anyway, keep the reviews and ideas coming!!!!!!
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SVT_Tactical
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one of the reasons we recommend Vortex so much is the value they where when they were marked down so much. You will likely see after all them have been sold and they go back to regular prices they won't be as recommended as they are now. In fact if you go back to when the markdown happened you will find thats when the recommendations started flying, it was the best value out there. The glass is on par with the Elite 4200's but they have a better customer service reputation to back them. Calling this forum a vortex fanboy forum may rub some peopel the wrong way..... just saying
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tompac
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I am glad you like your Monarch binoculars. I haven't looked through any in about a year, just because there are so many good options in the price range now. I remember the last Monarchs I looked through (ATB 8X42) being kind of soft, showing field curvature, and having an extremely narrow field of view. They also readily showed CA, although I am quite sensitive to it. If I remember right the FOV was the same through the 8X42 Monarch as my 10X42 Meoptas. If they have improved lately, maybe I should take another look. I am baseing my opinion on the Monarch Binoculars simply on how clear they are and the detail I can see useing them. I have several locust trees around my deerstand, going out to over 100 yards. And I can very clearly identify individual thorns with the Monarchs. All that said, the guys I hunt with use REALLY cheapo glass, so the Monarchs probably look better to me and my pards simply because we don't have anything better to compare them too. A LOT of people tried to guide me to the Zen Rays, but until they have been out for awhile and established a track record I was not willing to buy them. I took a chance with the VORTEX Viper scope because of the discounted price and apparent customer support by Vortex.
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