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8shots
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+1 with Jono.
I hunted with a Tasco 1,5-5 x 20 for years (yes I really did!!!). I mostly hit what I aimed at inside 300yds. I also made a few incredible shots out a little further.
Today I use better scopes and I am amazed as to why I originally bought the Tasco. Would I take the Tasco to a field competition? Not if I want to be a serious competitor!!!
Do I shoot better then I did with the Tasco? For hunting probably not, but for targets out beyond the point blank range definately yes. Edited by 8shots - November/09/2010 at 04:32 |
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teach yang
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ccoker
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I maintain that the Accupoint is the best overall hunting scope you can get when you factor in price and performance, i.e., the value prop. Great glass, great ill ret system, reliable You make a very valid point, would a top line Zeiss, Swaro, S&B, Kahles, etc.. enable a shot that the Trijicjon would not be able to take? |
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Dale Clifford
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use the 2x12 swaro in deep (dark) timber at day break for elk in the yellowstone area, most shots around 50 yds, if you can see that far., On 2 power (which is why I got the scope, not long range shots) its better than a bunch of other stuff I've ever used. I can understand not wanting to go that much for a scope-- but on the other hand it has a unique set of characteristics.
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3_tens
Optics Jedi Master Joined: January/08/2007 Location: Oklahoma Status: Offline Points: 7853 |
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Originally posted by supertool73
Spoken by two guys who obviously don't own a Z6. I used to have the same opinion, but now that I have one, I realized they really are a lot better. Optically a Trijicon is pretty nice. But when comparing it next to my Swaro, it is like comparing a Trijicon to a $50 Tasco World Class. They really are that nice. ______________
Like Supertool says "They are that nice".
Dale is hunting where the difference really shows. In the heavy cover. This is where the better contrast will let you see the game that will walk right on by if you have the lesser scope. You can see through the forest to see the game. Hunting in a bean field most any scope that holds zero will do just fine. When you are in cover you better have the better glass or you can't see whats in the forest for the trees.
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Magnumdood
Optics Apprentice Joined: January/17/2009 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 226 |
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Spoken like someone who has never used a high-end optic during adverse conditions. Comparing scopes at the sporting goods store is close to useless. Although, I would note that if you did see a difference at the sporting goods counter, that difference would be magnified dramatically in the field. A toilet paper roll with string for a reticle looks passable at the store under the florescent lights, or even outside in the bright sunshine. Where good glass shines is what it looks into, and seemingly through. I have a Hensoldt 6-24X72. I never before have been able to see the mirage and see through it at the same time. The same principle applies to all obstructions that are translucent. My Hensoldt would pick out a hog at night that you couldn’t see with a mid-priced scope. The image is a very definite WOW. Additionally, the Hensoldt line is built to Mil-spec standards. The Hensoldt distributer likens the Hensoldt to a Zeiss on steroids. The Hensoldt also has different, harder, lens coatings than their Zeiss cousins. It’s a tougher coating and improves on the Zeiss Victory image (which I thought was impossible to do). High-end glass has all kinds of advantages no matter what you’re using it for. |
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jonoMT
Optics Master Extraordinaire Joined: November/13/2008 Location: Montana Status: Offline Points: 4853 |
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Tejas does have a point though. You could spend so much on the equipment that you just plain have to work to pay for it instead of spending time (and money saved) on expending ammo at the range. IMO, if you're going to spend the money on high-end glass or a super-accurate rifle, make sure you're committed to it. Otherwise, try to outgrow what you have. That's easy if it's a tupperware stocked rifle with a $80 scope. It's harder if it's a $600 rifle with a $400 Zeiss Conquest 3-9X.
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Reaction time is a factor...
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tejas
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Obviously I cant convince all of You who own mult-thousand dollar scopes that You wasted your money. Im not trying to. Dale gave a real-life example in his post above about why he needs his particular scope. Makes sense to me. I dont hunt that area and rarely hunt at that time of day. I dont know if my Trijicons or Conquests can make those shots. Probably depends a whole lot on eyeballs as well as optics. For the hunting I do, which is mostly at night, under a big moon in the South Texas brush country, My equipment is more than up to the task.
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8shots
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So Apostle...........?????????????????
Time to pitch in!!!!!!!!!!
Are expensive scopes worth the money?????????????
You cannot light the fire and then run away!!!!
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grimreaper21
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We're beating a dead horse here. It depends on your use. Is it worth paying more for diminishing returns? Yes to some people. Is it critical the scope performs at the very last moments towards sundown? Or are you going to be sitting on a bench rest, target shooting in the afternoon always in nice conditions. Worth is something you need to define for yourself
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ccoker
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yep.. I used to own a custom bike shop, we sold lots of 6K mountain bikes to me, they were and are worth every penny if you can't appreciate or need that level of quality then don't spend the money on one.. the "value" proposition is something only "you" can make Sort of like a full custom rifle, I have a Remington LTR with a jewell trigger that will do 1/2" 300 yard groups... I would be HARD pressed to spend 3x more for a full custom Edited by ccoker - November/10/2010 at 11:28 |
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grimreaper21
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Yeah good points, I find it applies to just about every purchase decision you can make regardless of the hobby. You can buy a corvette that goes 0-60 in 4 seconds for $60,000. You can buy a ferrari that goes 0-60 in 3.5 seconds for $250,000. Is it worth it? Obviously there are other factors than just 0-60, but that's up to the buyers mind.
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Magnumdood
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It always comes down to a personal choice. We are so blessed in this country that most don’t realize how good we have it. When a new shooter comes onto this forum, or another forum, and asks, honestly, which optic he should buy for his new rifle, I do a little mini-celebratory dance. There are so many good options that the choices literally overwhelm a new shooter. If you venture off into custom rifles the same holds true; there is a dizzying array of good, competent gunsmiths to choose from. There are a handful of great ones. It all comes down to two things: Personal choice and practice. Once you have your rig assembled, remember: You can’t buy equipment that will substitute for trigger time. |
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ccoker
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True, we all know that a $500 Savage and a $300 Nikon, Bushnell, etc.. will work fine for 95 % of the hunters 95% of the time...
Guns, scopes and ammo ARE a lot better than they used to be today, it's expected to have a 1MOA (or better) off the shelf rifle, 20-30 years ago, that wasn't the case |
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The Apostle
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The ones in Australia aren't good enough for ya???...
Edited by The Apostle - November/20/2010 at 20:40 |
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John Howard: "We will find any means we can to further restrict them because I hate guns...ordinary citizens should not have weapons. We do not want the American disease imported into Australia"...
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The Apostle
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Can't answer that one yet as i've never looked thru or used a Swarovski or Zeiss bino or scope...yet!
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John Howard: "We will find any means we can to further restrict them because I hate guns...ordinary citizens should not have weapons. We do not want the American disease imported into Australia"...
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8shots
Optics Jedi Knight Lord Of The Flies Joined: March/14/2007 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 6253 |
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So why ask the members on this forum the question, if only you can decide if it is worth the money?
We have debated this question that you asked at length, so based on the question you asked and the answers you received : Are they worth the money?
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seawolf
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As many have said, it depends a lot of the way one hunts, and what kind of game.
For many years I hunted only moose, and Leupold scopes did the job well enough.
They were rugged, dependable and the price was right.
After I took up red deer and roe deer hunting which is done mostly at dusk and dawn as well hunting at night with good moon light, the Leopolds dont do the trick any longer.
So for me hunting deer, only top of the line scopes work.
They give me meet in the freezer and because of that, are well worth the money!
I ended up with Zeiss Victory scopes and especially the 3-12x56 with illuminated reticle made night to day so to speak.
(but on my moose rifle for day time hunting, I still have an old Vari X III 2,5-8x36 as a trusty back up sight )
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gcp
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JLud, your mustang is a nice enough auto but since I've driven both I think I'll keep my Carrera if you don't mind. See, it's not only about speed, it's about handling, breaking, body lines.....It's about quality not quantity, i.e. number of ponies. It's about perfection so I completely understand those who shell out the big bucks for a fine scope. Like it or not one must pay for perfection. Edited by gcp - November/26/2010 at 13:39 |
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Ed Connelly
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Lookit that Toyota truck!!!! They don't sell them in America.......
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