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huntfish
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Posted: June/15/2010 at 22:36 |
To put a high end scope such as Leica, Z6, Z5 kahles or victory on a custom rem 700 in .270. It will be used to hunt deer in high country of New Zealand with ranges out to 400yds and sometimes low light, on foot?
I know a conquest or VX3 could do the same job for half the money but the top scopes must sell for a reason? I haven't looked thru any but the Kahles yet. Thanks |
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Teddy Bear
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Can't help you, I refuse to look through those scopes, don't want to know what I'm missing out on. Everyone has their own limits to what they want to spend on optics for different situations. When you get into high end optics like that it may come down to reticle preference or something like that idk. Some one will chime in, sounds like the kind of problem I wish I had.
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Roy Finn
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All the scopes mentioned are wonderful optically, but, if you can't see the reticle they will be as worthless as a scope costing 500 bucks.
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is it waste? no
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What SVT said. If you can afford to, do it. Good optics tend to "spoil" a person.
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If you're the type of person who appreciates really good quality equipment then I don't think it's a waste. You certainly don't need to spend that kind of money to get a good scope. Any decent midrange scope will do 90% of what you need. Whether squeezing the last little bit of performance out of a scope is worth the steep price increase is worth it or not is a personal decision only you can answer. I enjoy owning a few premium optics, but I couldn't justify having them on all my guns.
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I'm with RifleDude. If you don't need top drawer optics, don't spend the money.
Based on your description, low light and 400 yards, I consider the money well spent. I have done the same on a few of my go to guns. The 4A reticle is also worthwhile for low light and long range. Kahles will get you into the alpha class at about the lowest cost, too.
Doug
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Dale Clifford
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Each one has different qualities, that set them apart from the normal herd. The Z6 has an unequaled zoom and low light on the 2x end for heavy timber and can still make an easy shot out to 500 yds if needed. On the down side its a big scope in size but so-so on wt. The higher end Zeiss are also big, but their AO are the best I've used in any brand. Still I have to vote yes.
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Is it a waste: no; is it needed: probably not in most situation.
Don't be fooled into thinking the $2,000 scope is about the same as the $500 scope. Both function, probably very well, but the difference is standard TV vs. hi def 1080p at 240Hz: you can watch a football game on both, you can see the expressions on the attendees' faces with the latter. |
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bberg7794
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Dale Clifford touched on what I wanted to say. If your custom rifle is designed as a lightweight mountain rifle that you carry in your hands as you hunt, a large European scope will affect the feel and handling qualities of the rifle more than a lighter American style scope. My friends who hunt in the mountains seem to prefer a very lightweight scope mounted as low as possible. If you carry your rifle predominately in a sniper pack on your back and bring it out only to set up for a shot, this may not matter to you.
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SD Dog
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No one has ever said that a scope has been too clear, too bright or too precise. Like stated by others, the Leupold and Conquest will work but, if it is the end of shooting time and you have walked a long ways and it is 400 yards to target, which scope do you want?
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Dale Clifford
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Being able to study detail in target or surrounds may or may not be a good thing, if your shooting against the clock detail becomes less important, than certain other things particularly how the scope works with overall package. While the z6 is no doubt a better optic on the surface, it would take years to shoot the game an old leo 6x has taken, and by the time the z6 "proved" itself, I'm sure something new would be out. Not to say that one should buy an older scope, but the prespective should be clear. Modern hunting rifles were sporterized from military rifles to get rid of the clunkiness, why go back to it in scopes? (and ironically tactical rifles are usually beefed up hunting rifles)
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THERE IS ABOSOLUTELY NO WAY THERE IS EVER A SCOPE THAT IS TOO GOOD
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Nuff said, get a Z6, Diavari, similar scope... you will never be unhappy with it...
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I tend to think there are other important factors besides the glass when you start talking extended distances you need some method to compensate for trajectory. I tend to prefer scopes with tactical / target type knobs to dial in correction but I also have a scope with a balistic reticle Nikon Omega for 50 cal musket and while the glass is horid the scope is quite deadly because of the reticle. I think a good compromise of good glass and useful reticle is found in the Trijicon Accupoint series scopes with their tritium illuminated reticle. I also think that when you throw in truely adverse conditions sometimes a simple fixed 6x42 scope may be a better choice and I really like the Leupold FX3 6x42 with Long Range Duplex which gives you known hold over points for the kind of distances you are talking about so I would look real strongly at those as well as the high end Swarovski Z6 and Kahles. Personally I prefered the weight of the lines in the reticle on the Kahles over the Z6 but that's just me. In any case you may be better off with a balistic reticle or adjustable knobs at long range than the best glass. I suspect there are a few who have missed their shot at long range with the best glass only to have a lovely view of the deer running away because they were unable to correctly range find the distance and correct for trajectory.
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3_tens
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Another way to look at it is if you buy a $2,400.00 scope, then can't afford to hunt with it it is not worth it. If you go hunting and just at dusk you see your intended big game but can't determine if it is a buck or doe. Then the scope may or may not worth it. If the hunt is a guided hunt that cost $3,000-$10,000 and the scope means getting a shot or not. Or worst yet wounding an animal that is not recovered, Or maybe not the game you have a tag for. Then it is worth as much as the price of the trip, or fines and maybe the loss license to ever hunt again.
Edited by 3_tens - June/16/2010 at 11:55 |
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huntfish
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Great feedback, thankyou all very much. So now just need to decide which one I want, most likely out of the Z6/5 and the Kahles. Will likely go with 4a reticle.
Is the glass the same in the Z5 as the Z6? If so, the only thing I would be giving up is one extra power of zoom? Would also mean a 1" tube so a little more user friendly in the handling dept. |
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