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trigger29
Optics Master Extraordinaire X = 180 Y = 90 (X+Pyro)+(Y-Pyro) = ? Joined: September/29/2007 Location: South Dakota Status: Offline Points: 4353 |
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." |
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Folically Challenged
Optics Apprentice Joined: October/20/2008 Location: Hamiltucky, OH Status: Offline Points: 106 |
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My buddies hunt with Leupolds (a Rifleman, or a VXI if he's feeling really spendy...), and Vortex (Crossfire & Viper).
Now at the range... that's another story. Tons of Tascos, BSA's, and NC Stars. I always scratch my head when I see them obsessing over their reloads, & talking endlessly about what they've done with/to their rifles, and see them with a tacti-cool BSA in cheapo mounts. These guys usually setup with their bore-sighted scopes at the 200 yard line, & blast through 3 boxes trying to get on paper. I'm not sure if it's more comical, or more sad. One guy looked through my Conquest, & said, "Man, Hell! Those things cost $3000!". I didn't have it in me to disabuse his notion. I can't look down my nose at folks, though. I know there are legions out there who've taken more game with a .30-.30 and iron sights, than I'll ever see in my lifetime. If it works for you, GREAT! But... if you're happy with what you've got... FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS HOLY, do NOT go and look through anything more expensive!!!!! FC
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cowski
Optics Journeyman Joined: November/19/2009 Location: alabama Status: Offline Points: 342 |
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i see more simmons around here.
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never corner something meaner than you are jbc
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cyborg
Optics God Gaseous Clay Joined: August/24/2007 Location: North Georgia Status: Offline Points: 12288 |
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With Freedom comes great responsibility, you cannot have one without the other
An armed public are citizens. A disarmed public are subjects. OATH KEEPER #8233 Support us, and join our cause. Cyborg |
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okc4956
Optics Apprentice Joined: October/13/2009 Location: Oklahoma City Status: Offline Points: 135 |
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But... if you're happy with what you've got... FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS HOLY, do NOT go and look through anything more expensive!!!!!
If you do, you're in trouble!!!!It's hard to go back! |
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Folically Challenged
Optics Apprentice Joined: October/20/2008 Location: Hamiltucky, OH Status: Offline Points: 106 |
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Kind of like finding a woman who's NOT psychotic. It's hard to go back to the other kind, and you're much better off staying where you are! FC
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cyborg
Optics God Gaseous Clay Joined: August/24/2007 Location: North Georgia Status: Offline Points: 12288 |
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My better judgement won't allow me to comment further.
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With Freedom comes great responsibility, you cannot have one without the other
An armed public are citizens. A disarmed public are subjects. OATH KEEPER #8233 Support us, and join our cause. Cyborg |
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neilbilly
Optics Master Joined: February/07/2010 Location: Sweeny TX Status: Offline Points: 999 |
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Gotta take exception with Oldtrader3 I'll call you out on this one as far as what a real hunter is as opposed to an optics snob. a REAL hunter puts meat in the freezer, ever year, using gear you think is inadequate. A REAL hunter is not going to hump a $3500 scope on a pristine rifle through a briar patch, and a REAL hunter isn't going to piss on anyone else's gear just because he can afford better. Sorry for the rant guys, but that kind of arrogant attitude hits me very much the wrong way. |
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If God didn't want me to play with it, he'd of made my arms shorter.
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hawgwild73
Optics GrassHopper Joined: May/24/2010 Location: Arkansas Status: Offline Points: 12 |
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Here in Arkansas you see alot of people using the Wally World specials (Bushnell, Simmons, Tasco). I was in this crowd too, until I bought my first Nikon. I started with 2 ProStaffs, then got a Burris, just ordered a Vortex.
I got my dad and bro-in-law using a little more high end models, gotta work on some of the buddies now.
It amazed me how much of a difference there is going from WalMart scopes to even the lower end model of the quality optics makers.
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Dshusker
Optics Apprentice Joined: November/09/2008 Status: Offline Points: 103 |
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Great comments, particularly from the Optics Masters. My take is simple. I try to buy the best value for the application I intend using it on. I don't have the skills or eye sight to shoot past 350- 400 yds so I purchase decent value scopes like Bushnell Elites, Zeiss Conquests, and Sightrons. Don't see the need for Swaros, high end Zeiss, etc., for me because my skill sets just don't meet the test. For that matter, my skill sets don't come close to the rifles I shoot. Just my opinion.
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Rancid Coolaid
MODERATOR Joined: January/19/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9318 |
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I killed an elk last year with a 300Wm precision "tactical" rifle topped with a Premier 3-15X, I also killed a very large hog with a 6.8 AR(suppressed) topped with a Trijicon 2.5-10. I've taken game with pure crap and with the best of the best. I do, with regularity, hump a 12 pound rifle when hunting - nothing sucks more than finding 400 yards of open group to the target and having a 300 yard gun. Better too much than too little, so I usually err on the side of a 300WM that will reach out past 600 yards if necessary. I don't think I am an optics snob, but I sure did hate that Tasco Silver Antler that cost me a nice deer a few years ago, and my Premier has yet to do me wrong. |
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Rancid Coolaid
MODERATOR Joined: January/19/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9318 |
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And if I pissed on anyone's gear, that was never my intention. As I said way back in the beginning, most times a $10 saddle on a $5 horse makes no sense.
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jonoMT
Optics Master Extraordinaire Joined: November/13/2008 Location: Montana Status: Offline Points: 4853 |
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The way I look at it, it depends on how serious you are about shooting and how far out you want to shoot...also how much you value reliability and repeatibility. If you're serious about it, then it's not hard to justify spending a grand or more per scope (provided the rifle is worth it). Especially if you don't have other expensive hobbies. Me, I like nothing better than hoofing it through remote, rugged terrain. So I've bought high-end gear. But have still spent far less than someone who likes to ride a motorcycle, fish from a bass boat or use a snowmobile.
Some guys I know have decent optics (higher end hunting Leupolds or Nikons). Others have the crap scope that came with their $350 rifles. They all get enjoyment out of hunting but those guys with the lower end stuff expend far more ammo and make some bad - sometimes wasteful, inhumane - shots. Put what you can into it within reason and your requirements. |
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Reaction time is a factor...
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trigger29
Optics Master Extraordinaire X = 180 Y = 90 (X+Pyro)+(Y-Pyro) = ? Joined: September/29/2007 Location: South Dakota Status: Offline Points: 4353 |
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." |
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neilbilly
Optics Master Joined: February/07/2010 Location: Sweeny TX Status: Offline Points: 999 |
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RC You are a hunter, we both know that. You also know and use good gear and have NEVER tried to make anyone feel like less of a sportsman for using what they have. The other guys post just hit a sore spot with me. I grew up in Western Arkansas, poor white trash. I spotlighted to supplement groceries when we were between batches of chickens for Tyson and have killed way more than my share of deer. "some even legally" When I saw someone say guys using a tasco scope and shooting once a yr at the range to make sure they were still on being called amateurs it hit the red button with me. Not everyone can afford to go out and tie up a ton of money in gear. I make 6 figures now and can't go shoot .308's and 7mm mags twice a week at the country club like the other poster. I do have access to our company rifle range and shoot once or twice a month. As Hawgwild stated, I run out of ability long before I run out of gear. Most of these were taken with gear that calling good is being kind.
I normally just shoot does as I don't have any good horn recipes, but the ones in the can are all animals I've taken. I make knives and have used up a lot of what I had doing that. I'm not exactly the mighty hunter and know other people shoot and kill a lot of impressive game. I also know guys who do use clam packed stuff from wallyworld and shoot 10 or so rounds a year out of guns from the cheaper end of the counter. To call them amateurs is ignorant. They are efficient. I'll be happy to distribute any cast off gear that is better than what they are using if anyone is donating. It's not that they don't appreciate it, or know it exists, it's just not in the budget. I've re-gifted 5 Bushnell Trophys this year so far and as I add better scopes to my rigs, I'll continue passing along stuff that is a little better than what people were using. |
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If God didn't want me to play with it, he'd of made my arms shorter.
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supertool73
Optics God Superstool Joined: January/03/2008 Status: Offline Points: 11814 |
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I took this little feller with a Simmons 1x scope that cost me $69 at my local rip you off sporting goods store. I guess that means I am not a hunter either.
That scope has held up to the heavy recoil of 3 different muzzleloaders over the last 16 years and has never given me an once of trouble or lost its zero. I keep thinking I ought to by a more expensive scope. But then I question why? It does what I need it to do and it is a proven problem free scope. Edited by supertool73 - June/02/2010 at 17:20 |
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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.
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Oldtrader3
Optics Journeyman Joined: May/16/2009 Location: WA (state) Status: Offline Points: 445 |
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RC, I got tired of the cheap scope mantra. It gets a little wearing when most of us buy what we can afford, some of us can't afford expensive scopes, some can and still use the other stuff. Nuf said, I will shut up now! The idea is for all of us to feed our selves a good venison or elk diner and get along. I really don't care even if you choose to use a sharpened stick for venison. I just wanted a few of you to come clean of the good ole boy stuff. Edited by Oldtrader3 - June/02/2010 at 18:45 |
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Oldtrader3
Optics Journeyman Joined: May/16/2009 Location: WA (state) Status: Offline Points: 445 |
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Ed Connelly
Optics Retard God of no Chihuahua Joined: December/16/2007 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 24225 |
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biggreen747
Optics Journeyman Joined: October/16/2009 Location: Colorado Status: Offline Points: 470 |
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I have found the migration to more expensive scopes usually comes with the frustration af a lesser scope that failed to perform in a given situation. Rain, Low Light, Bright Light (glare on snow), Sun Flare, all of these have contributed to animals walking away and me emptying my piggy bank on more expensive glass.
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