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Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

Obama will not need to ban guns. The greed of Cerberus will do it first. The problem in the world today is there is no tradition left. Not much completion either. Make laws so that the super large conglomerates like Cerberus don't have to worry about competition. You can't start up a new company to compete because of the bought out politicians creating laws that make it prohibitive to start a new business. then the conglomerates buy out or crush any completion. If they decide you don't need something you can't buy it. WalMart is a good example of this practice too. I said it was a very bad thing when Cerberus bought Remington Browning, Winchester and H&R. The end is past and most people still can't see it. Cerberus the greek guard dog of Hell. Who needs an Anti-Christ.
I don't think they own Browning and Winchester, I thought FN did, am I wrong on that? Also regarding 30-30 ammo, IMHO, there are way too many Model 94's and Model 336's out there. Remember, if an ammo company can make a profit on a caliber they will produce that ammo.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RifleDude Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/04/2010 at 22:28
Originally posted by SamC SamC wrote:

I don't think they own Browning and Winchester, I thought FN did, am I wrong on that?


You are correct.  FN owns Browning and Winchester.
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i just got a deal from remington yesterday in my email, looks like they are going to start selling a 1911 now.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

i just got a deal from remington yesterday in my email, looks like they are going to start selling a 1911 now.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corky52 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/06/2010 at 06:49
I agree on the .30-30 ammo.  Just too many lever guns out there for all of the ammo companies to give up on profits.  I haven't been reloading .30-30, but will be adding dies and components for that caliber to my bench.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 3_tens Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/07/2010 at 14:05
I edited the statement made earlier I found the article I was reading and at the end there was a retraction so now I have to do one also.
As to the 30-30 How many remember the 16 Guage shotgun. You can find the ammunition on a very rare occasion but it will cost you out the nose. It disappeared almost over night when the decision was made to cut the caliber in the early 70s. It was a very popular shell up till the time when it was cut. Never say never.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corky52 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/07/2010 at 15:16
Good point!  All the more reason for dies and components.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SamC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/07/2010 at 22:55
Sounds like they have a hostile union work force in CT, my guess is they will probably pick up production of Marlin firearms in the Remington factory in Ilion, NY.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tahqua Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/13/2010 at 20:23
Remington owns many manufacturing facilities with varying degrees of capability. It would be great if sales could support all of them. It doesn't. They will produce lever guns where they are most efficient.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 3_tens Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/14/2010 at 11:14
You can not be lean and still maintain high quality. If you can gain control and reduce the entire market so that the overall quality is reduced then you can compete with low quality products. If the quality is high the buyers will go to the cheap crap but then return to the higher quality every time. A company needs to plan for the long haul to survive. Unless the goal is to just cheat the consumers for a short time for higher profits, then change the name and start over again. This can be proved by Zeiss, Swarovorsky and Night force. They have never dropped quality to enter the cheap scopes market. Dropping quality killed El Paso Weaver, Denver Redfield, and has done irreparable damage to Leupold just to start the list.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote koshkin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/14/2010 at 12:55
High quality and lean manufacturing are not mutually exclusive.

Having said that, Cerberus needs to compete in this market place.  They are not in business to maintain traditions and give a warm fuzzy feeling to rifle traditionalists.  They are in it to make money.

I suspect that the costs of doing business in New England and dealing with the unions made it impossible for them to make money there.  While I am sad to see the plant close, I do not have enough information to second-guess their decision.

If you feel that Cerberus is wrong in their decision, make them pay for it in the marketplace.  Do not buy Cerberus product and let them know why you are doing it.  

Generally, it is interesting that FN moved Winchester manufacturing out of Connecticut into their Carolina plant.  Marlin is likely going to be made inside one of Remington's larger plants and likely for the same reasons: newer equipment and economies of scale.  Mossberg, which is headquartered in Connecticut, produces most of their stuff in Texas with quite a few pieces made in their plant in Mexico.

Honestly, we may simply be seeing a fairly normal migration of manufacturing jobs to states that are friendly to them.  That sucks to the people who have been working there for 20+ years, but if the company can't make money options are limited.

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  "we may simply be seeing a fairly normal migration of manufacturing jobs to states that are friendly to them"
 
  I HOPE your right.  But my SIL's dad who worked for Winchester,for 40+yrs,quit (took early retirement) in mid March because FN wanted him to go to China. He was in charge of  CNC set-up and production.
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