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Originally posted by Cope6.5/284 Cope6.5/284 wrote:

Given the fact that the SWFA SS has proven reviews for durablity and functionality from some more that dependable sources that alone makes me more comfortable with that purchase. Illumination gives you no advantage if it is isn't durable and functional in other aspects which I have not seen proven yet with the new Bushnell. Not that I doubt that company just looking at all options. I also heard about some issues with the Illumintaion flooding the inside of the tube even on the lowest power setting and emitting light from the objective on higher powers. Might be worth looking into. Let me know what you find, I would be intrested to hear your opinion.
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That is with my cell phone and is the objective of the scope. It is very picky on positon of the eye before it goes black and the reticle does drown out the image on higher mags in side the scope also. More pics to come once my phone charges back up.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cope6.5/284 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/15/2010 at 17:01
Wow talk about giving away position. Hope none of the guys in the service picked these up unknowingly.
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Wow, I am glad Cope brought this to our attention.  That really is lighting that up.  That is way worse than IOR scopes do it.  Thanks for the pic CF2
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Yikes Talk about a tactical nightmare. Bushnell better get that straightened out real fast.
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New nickname for those scopes "green Gooblin"
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And that is exactly why I didn't want to be a test dummy. Smile It is always good to get a scope after it has been out for a little while. Let everyone else deal with the BS. 
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Are they really aiming this scope at professionals or just the tacti-cool mall ninjas? Some people would probably be really disappointed if all the was lit up was a little + as with reticles like the Gen II mil-dot.
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We are getting a lot of complaints and returns on the Bushnell.  Three most common complaints in order are:
 
1.  Critical eye relief
2.  Illumination leak/bleed
3.  Green markings on dials
 
Here's a few pictures to further illustrate.
 
It is hard to get a picture of "critical eye relief" so to speak but these images depict what your view looks like if you are slightly off center.  Primarily an issue on the higher end of the power range. 
 
 
 
Images of the illumination leak/bleed are very easy to take because it is pretty major.  Primarily an issue on the high end of the illumination level.
 
It comes out of both ends but much more from the objective end.
 
 
With the lights off it actually projects a beam.
 
 
The markings on all the adjustments being green does make them very difficult to read in low light.  It was hard to capture it with my camera but you can still tell.
 
 
The good news is that you won't have to worry about white markings on your turret giving your position away.
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You would have thought that Bushnell would have done better than this. What a serious disappointment..... Sad
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Shocked That is almost as bright as my Laser Genetics ND3..... Loco Hope they resolve these issues..
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Guess they could start marketing it as a scope with a built in night time illumination device.  Laugh
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So they are trying to get in on the ND3 market with out having to buy into a trademarked design? That is clever on their part.....Wink
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You should not have to have the illumination turned up so much in extreme low light so it should not be that much a problem (I hope).  If I were on a two range I would not turn it on.

The green markings are a very big problem if you need to make any adjustments in low light.  If I were on a two way range I would try to get my hands on a white grease pencil.
 
The critical eye relief is bothersome.  A good stock and proper cheek weld helps a lot.  If I were on a two way range I would try to keep the magnification down around 9x-10x.
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Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

You should not have to have the illumination turned up so much in extreme low light so it should not be that much a problem (I hope).  If I were on a two range I would not turn it on.

The green markings are a very big problem if you need to make any adjustments in low light.  If I were on a two way range I would try to get my hands on a white grease pencil.
 
The critical eye relief is bothersome.  A good stock and proper cheek weld helps a lot.  If I were on a two way range I would try to keep the magnification down around 9x-10x.

Interesting thread.

Back at SHOT show I think I pissed off the guys at Bushnell when I did not like the way illumination was executed.  Unfortunately, it looks like I was right.

As for keeping magnification down to 9-10x or below, then you might as well just get the variable S.S. then.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

You should not have to have the illumination turned up so much in extreme low light so it should not be that much a problem (I hope).  If I were on a two range I would not turn it on.

The green markings are a very big problem if you need to make any adjustments in low light.  If I were on a two way range I would try to get my hands on a white grease pencil.
 
The critical eye relief is bothersome.  A good stock and proper cheek weld helps a lot.  If I were on a two way range I would try to keep the magnification down around 9x-10x.

Interesting thread.

Back at SHOT show I think I pissed off the guys at Bushnell when I did not like the way illumination was executed.  Unfortunately, it looks like I was right.

As for keeping magnification down to 9-10x or below, then you might as well just get the variable S.S. then.

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